Madden NFL 25 Video - Playbook: Run Free with Trey Wingo and Doug Martin

[roadman]

Agree with the sentiment, LT, and last year I regretted buying Madden. Came out of the 360 in early November and never saw a return.

The thing is, I can't control the purchases of 5 millon other people, which you already alluded to.

[Trick13]

One thing I hope the address is how much momentum you lose performing the moves. M13 had it wrong, way to slow through the animations and no variance between players at all. Ratings, like AGI and ACC plus the move rating should determine variable losses in momentum. Watching some of the highlight vids really shows how in the NFL players get in ant out of some of those moves way more quickly than M13 allows you to replicate.

[Big FN Deal]

Just posted this question in another thread and wanting to ask it here too.

This maybe completely wrong but the more I look at the way people say the players a re "hunched over", the more I start wondering how much this have to do with sharing the tech (ANT) from games like NHL, FIFA and even NBA Live. Maybe the issue is, in those games, especially NHL, the player are often inherently hunched over in motion due to the nature of the sport but not football. They are carrying the football so they don't need to hunch over to interact or make moves with it, like the other EA sports games do to interact with their respective ball/puck.

Could this be the reason behind the hunched over running in Madden, they need a separate animation tool for running in the football game?

[huskerwr38]

I think the intend of the video is to show off the moves which explains the poor defense. But the fact that the RBs are able to string together and pull off all of these moves is disappointing. Ball carriers don't hop over a player instantly bust through a tackle with then spin and juke through a defense while barely touching the ground. There is so much sliding go on, the players are moving forward without touching the ground it just looks awful. I haven't even touched the animations. Just too arcade.

[hanzsomehanz]

While you are there, BFD, what about the lack of impact to the field on footplants? Skating? How can you get a good dig into the field using hockey simulations? Decleaters? The collition aftermaths from last year were like ones you would see in NHL, now even moreso.

I cannot fathom how we could get the proper simulation using platforms from multiple sports.

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[Big FN Deal]

Quote: Originally Posted by hanzsomehanz

While you are there, BFD, what about the lack of impact to the field on footplants? Skating? How can you get a good dig into the field using hockey simulations? Decleaters? The collition aftermaths from last year were like ones you would see in NHL, now even moreso. I cannot fathom how we could get the proper simulation using platforms from multiple sports. Sent from my SGH-I727R using Tapatalk 2

I understand exactly what you are saying and getting lifted off your feet and gliding definitely makes more sense in a hockey game. Then the question becomes, how is FIFA able to maintain footplanting and maybe that's what they did this year, shared more from FIFA than NHL.

Man who the hell knows at this point, lol, sure would be nice to just have a football game that immerses my enough to overlook this stuff. Tiburon makes me want to go back to school at 37 to get a degree in coding, game design or whatever, just to get a job there to find out WTF is the hold up on a complete football game.

[jpdavis82]

Quote: Originally Posted by Big FN Deal

I understand exactly what you are saying and getting lifted off your feet and gliding definitely makes more sense in a hockey game. Then the question becomes, how is FIFA able to maintain footplanting and maybe that's what they did this year, shared more from FIFA than NHL. Man who the hell knows at this point, lol, sure would be nice to just have a football game that immerses my enough to overlook this stuff. Tiburon makes me want to go back to school at 37 to get a degree in coding, game design or whatever, just to get a job there to find out WTF is the hold up on a complete football game.

The guys from TSS are convinced that once we go to next gen that the devs will fix this issue and the main problem is the engine, not the devs focus, but an even bigger issue is the "suits" and AJ Dembroski suggested that they may purposefully be holding the game back. IF that is the case then hopefully the new CEO replacing John Ricitello will stop that junk from now on.

[Big FN Deal]

Quote: Originally Posted by jpdavis82

The guys from TSS are convinced that once we go to next gen that the devs will fix this issue and the main problem is the engine, not the devs focus, but an even bigger issue is the "suits" and AJ Dembroski suggested that they may purposefully be holding the game back. IF that is the case then hopefully the new CEO replacing John Ricitello will stop that junk from now on.

I get all that but what would the suits have to do with this? Meaning, unless the devs have been cornered into using NHL animations for whatever reason, some of this animation tech could carry over.

That said, I am with you in the hope that the new consoles are a fresh start and completely separate from whatever went on this gen but like I keep stating, the first game play footage of M25 on a new console will tell it all. If the animations are NOT lifelike in that footage in the very first game play vid for new consoles, then Tiburon just can't fix it. No need for anyone to talk about, "it's the first year of the new consoles, give them time" or any of that stuff, what we see then is what we will be getting for years to come, for better or worse.