Madden NFL 25 Video Interview with Some Early Gameplay Shown (GotGame)

[TreFacTor]

Quote: Originally Posted by jpdavis82

Who are they? I'm just saying I don't understand the mindset of some people, if you hate Madden that's fine, but why come here year after year and say the same things. I don't frequent any COD forums because I don't like or play COD.

Your impression that he hates Madden is just that...you derived from a negative statement that he hates the game when he never said it. That is your perception. That is the perception of the Madden fan who can't take a negative comment about something they hold dear. How do you know he didn't buy 13 and was simply displeased with it? We don't, so we can't assume he or anyone else with a derogatory statement outright hates the game.

I myself haven't had anything good to say about the game since M10...I've bought every Madden thus far, does that mean I can't come here to state my opinion even if it's the same every year? Everyone knows legacy issues that haven't and won't be addressed so you can pretty much say that either side of the coin is washing, rinsing, repeating. The negatives remain the same and the hopefuls remain the same, and I don't see a lot of variation in any of those posts even from you yourself.

[Grey_Osprey]

The opening stumble recover looked good. Didn't really see what caused it - tripping over the OL/DL men? - but the recover looked realistic enough. And there's some good animations with the heat seeker (hate that name) tackling that looks pretty good. Really like the DB going low on the running back, taking his legs out from under him. The running back tumbles over - forward. Nice. And some of the tackles with ball carriers being stopped in their tracks are good. And that's about where the good stops for me.

The Raider running back stumble recovery was aweful from start to finish. Watch it in slow motion and pay attention to the RB's legs, feet, body lean. Then you have the OL block, where the defensive player is knocked off his feet and lands 2 yards backward and the tackle animation at the end which is set up perfectly for a form tackle but turns into a one arm tackle with the DB left arm just hanging out there.

There's just too many instances of over the top features. Players having their momentum stopped abruptly is one thing, but when their momentum is stopped, their feet come off the ground, and they are propelled 2-4 yards backward....I'm sorry, that's just not realistic. Prime example would be the Packer RB catching the ball, turning and within one yard gaining enough momemtum to cause the on-rushing defensive player to stop in his tracks, leave his feet, and be propelled backward 4 yards.

It's stuff like that that screams ARCADE to me. I'm thinking the RB must be equipped with the Marvel Comic/Street Fighter "Truck and Forearm combo move" while the DB picked a bad time to not have the Scorpio Mortal Combat "Get over here!!!" counter move. Hopefully these over the top moves/features are tied to attributes such as AWR, TAK, POW, big hitter, etc. And hopefully size, weight, momentum and type of player are taken into account too.

@Big - On the Kerrigan sack/tackle. Not bad, but did you think the RB did more "warping"/sliding to try and pick Kerrigan up versus moving his feet to get over there? Good to see the back AWARE of the oncoming rusher and try to get over there to pick him up. It would have been nice to see him try to push Kerrigan off course/around the qb or cut him. Also, watch Kerrigan's right arm on the dive/tackle. Seems to just be hanging out there. I noticed this on a few tackles throughout the video. Guess it's better than seeing them distorted or in awkward positions.

[Trick13]

Quote: Originally Posted by jpdavis82

Who are they? I'm just saying I don't understand the mindset of some people, if you hate Madden that's fine, but why come here year after year and say the same things. I don't frequent any COD forums because I don't like or play COD.

I think the guys who say that "rinse and repeat" line are, for the most part the same guys who offer up the best perspectives on what EA should be attempting to accomplish. They are generally people who want a high quality game the most. I don't think the "apologists" who say "it's early yet" or "the consoles are tooo difficult to program for" or "the game is heading in the right direction" do the game's quality any favors.

I have serious doubts about M25 on either generation, but want the game to be higher quality and so I continue to come here, offer my perspective and make suggestions because of how badly I would like to have a Madden game that doesn't require any "patches"...

[BleedingGreen83]

Not sure I like the idea of button combinations when you're tackling...Just keep it the way it is, but allow for gang tackles and waaaaaaay better physics. The most common tackle in Madden 13 is to collide with them and bounce off each other. Also, I hope they improve blocking. That's been an issue for awhile.

[roadman]

Quote: Originally Posted by Trick13

I have serious doubts about M25 on either generation, but want the game to be higher quality and so I continue to come here, offer my perspective and make suggestions because of how badly I would like to have a Madden game that doesn't require any "patches"...

Actually, it would be nice for sports games in my collection to not have any patches, but I agree with what your saying, Madden is still behind those sports games in my collection, except for 2k baseball.

[youALREADYknow]

Sigh.... still too many binary events in ball carrier and tackling.

Ball carrier either flattens a defender or gets flattened by the defender.
Ball carrier either falls on his face or recovers to full balance on stumbles.

Don't preach sim to me and then have such extreme and improbable events play out each and every game.

They can tune Infinity Engine and clean up a lot, but you can't really tune an arcade football motion capture into a sim one. Capture real sim football moves and sound, fundamental tackling and THEN tune from there. Don't capture this WWE style hitting and then try to sell me a sim football game.

Those huge impact animations are the ones that should be dynamic and random from Infinity Engine, NOT driven by a clearly ridiculous and forced animation (Hit Stick or Truck Stick).

It's not enough to make me not buy the game because quite frankly I've come to terms with my sports addiction and realize that EA is the only dealer on the corner with "product". Still, I'm not going to pretend that these things are OK for a team that has been using the words simulation and authentic all month.

[Big FN Deal]

Quote: Originally Posted by moneal2001

I wanna know if it will be in the NFL this year. Defenders have basically quit wrapping up. No reason for it to be in Madden if influx players don't use it.

Not using this an excuse for a lack of wrap tackles in Madden because they should be there but I hate this about the current NFL. All this trying to "blow up" a ball carrier, instead of wrapping and driving through. I think the real NFL players got that garbage from playing/seeing Madden, lol.

Would be nice to see that stuff tied to how much of disciplinarian the Head Coach is, because poor tackling has been rampant in the NFL the last few years, imo.

[N51_rob]

Quote: Originally Posted by jpdavis82

Who are they? I'm just saying I don't understand the mindset of some people, if you hate Madden that's fine, but why come here year after year and say the same things. I don't frequent any COD forums because I don't like or play COD.

And every year you come in here in the build up to Maddens release, and try to make everything unicorns and sunshine. You call anyone who say anything negative about Madden a "*****". You go quiet after release and then come back in the build-up again. All in the hopes of being invited to a community day or be added to the game changer program. Your act is getting quite old, and if you continue to keep it up you probably won't make it through this release cycle here on OS.