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[Love13]

Quote: Originally Posted by chi_hawks

It makes me wonder if they think of "Simulation" mode being like the weekend warrior, with a 28 handicap, who doesn't look at things like yardage to front/back/middle, bunker around green locations, hole layout, etc... I suppose "simulation" would make sense then. They typically want to know distance to the hole and thats all they need (they don't know much about the green until they walk up there to putt later). I can't imagine they sat down with a decent golfer and built this simulation mode off of how they would play.

From what some have said, although I've never seen it confirmed from a team member, some of the devs that design this game are scratch golfers. I don't think it's just a bunch of computer guys that have never played the game. As hands said there were many ideas that went into different types of options for yardages, but they all missed the cut. Best thing we can do is bring this up in official forums and get some strength from the community behind this to make it a priority next year.

But I totally see what your saying about it feels a little like weekend warrior golf. Get the distance, aim at the flag and fire away and hope it sticks haha.

[Love13]

Quote: Originally Posted by HANDSWARD_EA

OK, I didn't get a solid answer cause the 3 people that know the most about this are all out of office. But I may have something that will help. Try changing your initial hand position. You are possibly setting your hands too close to your body and then swinging back to this same point. If you move them away from your body a bit, and try to swing back to that same point, you should start to see straighter flight and maybe even some fades.

Thanks hands. I've started swinging similar to what you described. I'll keep working on it and see what I can do. Can't wait for the game so I can jump onto augustas driving range and really start working it out

[HANDSWARD_EA]

Quote: Originally Posted by Love13

From what some have said, although I've never seen it confirmed from a team member, some of the devs that design this game are scratch golfers.

I currently have a 1.6 index. And it is more from a lack of time to play. But my new year's resolution is to get my game back to where it used to be and take a run at the U.S. Mid-Amateur and U.S. Amateur.

[Matt10]

Quote: Originally Posted by chi_hawks

It makes me wonder if they think of "Simulation" mode being like the weekend warrior, with a 28 handicap, who doesn't look at things like yardage to front/back/middle, bunker around green locations, hole layout, etc... I suppose "simulation" would make sense then. They typically want to know distance to the hole and thats all they need (they don't know much about the green until they walk up there to putt later). I can't imagine they sat down with a decent golfer and built this simulation mode off of how they would play.

Yup - that's what it sounds like.

I've come to terms with it though. If I really want to do it like a pro, I'll go and practice rounds and find what yardages work on the course, etc. It will work - but will be work to do.

I appreciate the communication, and the genuine approach that the devs have. I work in a business that lives by the words "No one cares what you know until they know that you care." - I think we are getting closer to there, but the omittance of yardages is going to always be one of those "WTF" decisions for me.

[DivotMaker]

Quote: Originally Posted by Matt10

I think we are getting closer to there, but the omittance of yardages is going to always be one of those "WTF" decisions for me.

I can tell you for a fact that there were many here and at the Tiger forums who complained about hitting every fairway in TW13. Part of this was due to the ease of hitting straight with the new TSC in '13. Another major factor was the fact that you could zoom out to the exact landing point your ball would hit giving the user way too much information to make the swing with. I am sorry that some of you feel the yardages need to be in the Simulation mode, but how many times have you seen a PGA TOUR Pro miss the fairway even when they thought they aimed their shot to the right area and executed the shot the way they intended? It happens more than most of you think.

Leaving the yardages out forces users to:

a) learn their club distances

b) learn the course layouts and hazard locations

c) brings the rough BACK into play

d) learn to use the HUD as it tells you every thing you need to know to make an approach shot

e) learn to manage the risk/reward factor when driving the ball

This is certainly more realistic than being able to zoom out and see yardage markers or a camera that shows where your ball will land when aimed. Should there be yardage markers that you can see while zoomed above the golfers shoulder as in Simulation mode? I can see making a case for that as long as the yardage markers give some sort of indication where the aiming marker is at, I get that. Lets see how this works out in the final game release. Human nature is to resist change. I was not a fan of not having yardage markers at first, but I have since come to want to play without these yardages as it is an extreme test of how well you can manage the course from the Golfer's perspective. Again, I respect those who feel differently now, but lets circle back and discuss this again a month or two after the game is released and we will see how realistic the impact to scoring is. You guys may be right and I may be wrong, but at least EA is giving you the option to play the game the way YOU want to play and there are options for those wanting even more challenge.

[Love13]

Quote: Originally Posted by HANDSWARD_EA

I currently have a 1.6 index. And it is more from a lack of time to play. But my new year's resolution is to get my game back to where it used to be and take a run at the U.S. Mid-Amateur and U.S. Amateur.

That's an awesome goal. I feel you on lack of time to play. I used to be pretty close to scratch but have played only a hand full of times the last 2 years so my game is not where I would like it. I would love to play in the am and mid am but I have a LOT of work to do in order to get there.

[Jet Sufferer]

Quote: Originally Posted by Love13

That's an awesome goal. I feel you on lack of time to play. I used to be pretty close to scratch but have played only a hand full of times the last 2 years so my game is not where I would like it. I would love to play in the am and mid am but I have a LOT of work to do in order to get there.

Best I've ever been was close to plus 3. Still not good enough to compete at a national level, lots and lots of good players out there. Lot of plus 4 to 6 guys running around broke.

Calculating a tour pro's actual handicap is impossible because you can't use the normal course rating. They're playing courses with the greens sped up and tough pins and the course rating would be higher and they're still throwing up mid 60's rounds. A great round for me is like 4-5 under, if a pro was playing with me at my courses they would probably shoot 8-9 under regularly and threaten 59 sometimes. Like any other sport the guys that are in the top .000001 percentile are off the charts.

I'm better than over 99% of all golfers statistically. That and 2 dollars will get me a cup of coffee! Plus I don't hustle people, and my friends want too many strokes! It's harder for me to perform to my handicap than my friends, try giving a 4-6 handicapper 5-7 strokes. They're good players and if they just par the stroke holes I'm at a big disadvantage.

Nice to see hands here. I'll join the CC when season ticket hits, you can add me on xbox, raging poodle

[kehlis]

[quote=DivotMaker;2044811927]

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I am sorry that some of you feel the yardages need to be in the Simulation mode, but how many times have you seen a PGA TOUR Pro miss the fairway even when they thought they aimed their shot to the right area and executed the shot the way they intended? It happens more than most of you think.

I don't think anyone has ever disagreed with this and it has nothing to do with knowing the yardage to a sandtrap or to the back of the green or the front of the green.

Trust me, even though they don't execute their shots all the time I can guarantee you they had an EXACT yardage in their head for what they are shooting for.

You can't possibly make an argument against that.

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Leaving the yardages out forces users to: a) learn their club distances And how do you propose we do that without knowing the yardage lol. b) learn the course layouts and hazard locations Again, knowing yardages goes a long way to learning a course. How can I learn how far up the fairway the creek is without yardage. c) brings the rough BACK into play Love the new swing and love this, don't see how having yardages would change this with the new swing mechanism.

No biggie, I love the new swing and the difficulty it brings but I just don't see how taking away yardage makes it more "realistic". To me it makes it more of a guessing game when I'm aiming at landmarks...