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bwiggy33 · 07-03-2012, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by RealmK


	No offense Bwigs but you're contradicting yourself. Animations that look good are one thing, and I agree 2k8's goalie animations, push off and all look great, but it's all for show when the AI driving said goaltender is flat out ********. Edit: holy crap score one for the PC crowd, apparently herp derp is a swear.

That's not contradicting because I'm talking specifically the way the movement and momentum the goalies have and not the AI behind them making saves. I wasn't focusing on the AI. However if you do want to talk AI then it's all about finding the proper AI to make the goalies play the way they should with the momentum and movement. Plus I haven't really seen too many problems in 2k8 where goalies make bad decisions. The rosters that have been released for that game have done a terrific job with ratings and sliders to make the goalies play smarter. I would have no problem what so ever if EA just copied 2k8's goalies over to their game. IMO it would be 100% better than what they have now.

RealmK · 07-03-2012, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by bwiggy33


	That's not contradicting because I'm talking specifically the way the movement and momentum the goalies have and not the AI behind them making saves. I wasn't focusing on the AI. However if you do want to talk AI then it's all about finding the proper AI to make the goalies play the way they should with the momentum and movement. Plus I haven't really seen too many problems in 2k8 where goalies make bad decisions. The rosters that have been released for that game have done a terrific job with ratings and sliders to make the goalies play smarter. I would have no problem what so ever if EA just copied 2k8's goalies over to their game. IMO it would be 100% better than what they have now.

Interesting, you have an incoming PM, I don't want to further derail this thread.

Siruss · 07-18-2012, 10:03 PM

Tweaking goalies is so small in the grand scheme of the problem with this series. No matter what you do to the goalies, people are going to find the highest % shots (varies between 4-6 each year) and constantly go for them over and over and over. Remember the hook shot? Wrap around? Slap pass? Cross crease 1 timers? Breakaways where you'd score 90% of the time by taking a slap shot low glove side from 5 feet in front of the goalie? Then the simple forehand/backhand/forehand that worked on breakaways every time? The problem isn't goalie animations it's goalie AI. I play people all the time that do NOTHING except skate in circles until they can get down low and do a one-timer. Goalie animations are going to help there? No.
They need to fight the cheese and the visual glitches every year, and the they aren't winning that battle either. A slapshot with a red tail stops on a dime because of a broken stick. People doing 1 timers from a bad pass, where they are full extension with 1 hand on the stick, and blast it perfectly roofed over the goalies shoulder. How many times are you sitting there WAITING to intercept a pass, and it still just goes right by with no attempt. How many times do you lift stick only to have the other player retain control?
I also like to play on a locked position and the AI for the computer is horrible. It doesn't know if you're down by 1 with 20 seconds left, you retain possession and don't dump the puck. Or maybe how, even when being in perfect position for a pass, will take an opponent head on and lose the puck for no reason when there is myself, or another cpu player wide open waiting for a pass. Or the goalie playing the puck with the other team closing in, but he just stands there all casual and lets them poke check it away/in the net. OR he will just throw it over the boards for a penalty.
The problem here is that the game has actually regressed. There are never really any improvements. Some animations (which just make more visual glitches), and more broken promises. They actually removed the feature where you could set your roster offline and use it online. What game REMOVES features like that?
Goalie animations would fix like 5% of all the problems in this game. MAybe they finally did this, but they need to stop doing the gimmicks of goalie fights and hip checks, and fix and improve what they already have. If they paid attention to defail and tried to make the "most realistic spots game" rather than "the only hockey game", it would be a much better game. There's bugs and exploits that have been in the game for 6+ years and that should just be an embarassment to the studio.

loso_34 · 10-08-2012, 01:29 PM

I think all the guy was trying to say is he would like the goalies to play more true to life. And for that i totally agree. 2k8 was light years ahead because of the physics and goalies actually using their momentum for better or worse. in the end the saves turned out to be organic and like i said earlier true to life. Ifyou appreciate hockey and not the virtual version why wouldnt you want goalies in EA to actually play like their real life counter parts. I just dont understand why you guys are arguing otherwise.

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loso_34 MVP OVR: 1 Join Date: Jul 2010	Re: NHL 13 Screenshots - Dynamic Goalies I think all the guy was trying to say is he would like the goalies to play more true to life. And for that i totally agree. 2k8 was light years ahead because of the physics and goalies actually using their momentum for better or worse. in the end the saves turned out to be organic and like i said earlier true to life. Ifyou appreciate hockey and not the virtual version why wouldnt you want goalies in EA to actually play like their real life counter parts. I just dont understand why you guys are arguing otherwise. bwiggy33 likes this.

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07-18-2012, 10:03 PM	#59
Siruss Rookie OVR: 3 Join Date: Jul 2008	Tweaking goalies is so small in the grand scheme of the problem with this series. No matter what you do to the goalies, people are going to find the highest % shots (varies between 4-6 each year) and constantly go for them over and over and over. Remember the hook shot? Wrap around? Slap pass? Cross crease 1 timers? Breakaways where you'd score 90% of the time by taking a slap shot low glove side from 5 feet in front of the goalie? Then the simple forehand/backhand/forehand that worked on breakaways every time? The problem isn't goalie animations it's goalie AI. I play people all the time that do NOTHING except skate in circles until they can get down low and do a one-timer. Goalie animations are going to help there? No. They need to fight the cheese and the visual glitches every year, and the they aren't winning that battle either. A slapshot with a red tail stops on a dime because of a broken stick. People doing 1 timers from a bad pass, where they are full extension with 1 hand on the stick, and blast it perfectly roofed over the goalies shoulder. How many times are you sitting there WAITING to intercept a pass, and it still just goes right by with no attempt. How many times do you lift stick only to have the other player retain control? I also like to play on a locked position and the AI for the computer is horrible. It doesn't know if you're down by 1 with 20 seconds left, you retain possession and don't dump the puck. Or maybe how, even when being in perfect position for a pass, will take an opponent head on and lose the puck for no reason when there is myself, or another cpu player wide open waiting for a pass. Or the goalie playing the puck with the other team closing in, but he just stands there all casual and lets them poke check it away/in the net. OR he will just throw it over the boards for a penalty. The problem here is that the game has actually regressed. There are never really any improvements. Some animations (which just make more visual glitches), and more broken promises. They actually removed the feature where you could set your roster offline and use it online. What game REMOVES features like that? Goalie animations would fix like 5% of all the problems in this game. MAybe they finally did this, but they need to stop doing the gimmicks of goalie fights and hip checks, and fix and improve what they already have. If they paid attention to defail and tried to make the "most realistic spots game" rather than "the only hockey game", it would be a much better game. There's bugs and exploits that have been in the game for 6+ years and that should just be an embarassment to the studio.

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