NBA 2K13 Ratings - Dwight Howard – 96, Chris Bosh - 83, Roy Hibbert - 86

[yungsta404]

Hibbert is wildly Inconsistent dunno y he is an 86 overall but Whatever.

[ojandpizza]

Quote: Originally Posted by 24ct

Chicago with Rose made it to the EC Finals... Chicago without Rose lost in the 1st Round....To an 8th seed.... & You really dont think Rose is important to his team? Stats dont tell the whole story and if they did a line of 25,7 & 4 for POINT GUARD is outstanding. How many other point guards average that? Derrick Rose averaging 3 more assists wouldnt make that much of a difference and if he did he would avg less points which would make him Chris Paul & Steve Nash not Derrick Rose. He is Rose because he scores like a primary option. And he plays Point Guard the best he can with that Bulls Roster. No shooters outside of Korver...And he manages 7 assists with no offensive threats outside of him and possibly Boozer or Deng and thats not good enough. If Rose had the talent around him he would avg your beloved double double and then what? Its not all about double double. Especially when you add his point total takes away from his assist total. Its simple. The more he shoots the more he scores but the less assists he averages because he HAS to score more....He also makes his team better by doing that...he takes pressure off of them....which is why with him they made the EC finals and without him they lost in the 1st round to an 8th seed.... Lebron is a Point Foward.... Thats what he does. Lebron averaged more assists than ALOT of point guards & is the ONLY SF and possibly only player not a PG even in the TOP 15/20 in assists. He plays point from the forward position but what do I know? But lets not get too off topic.... Im assuming they have Bosh @ Center and if so that would explain his 83 rating but I still think he should be at least closer to 90 than 80. Hes an allstar....But thats 2k for you

I do think Rose is important to his team, just not as much as those other guys.

Yeah the Bulls went from conference finals to a first round exit but again MVP voting isn't judged about how far you make it in the playoffs. It's your record, which this past season was still tops in the East without him for much of the season.. Besides that they were still a playoff team, you honestly believe 2 years ago the same could have been said for Orlando without Dwight or OKC without Durant?

And you're saying that Deng, Boozer, Korver, Gibson aren't just as good of options to get their assists to as CP3 had in New Orleans, or LeBron in Cleveland? Or even Deron in Utah? Hell Deron had Boozer looking like a top 5 PF in the league back then.. Point is the ball is almost always in his hands, 25 points or not I dont see a reason for that low of assists..

Yeah LeBron plays point forward, and yeah he averages more assists than ALOT of PGs but those PGs aren't passing him up for MVP awards.

But everybody here is right this is getting too far off topic, I'm sorry for the Rose rant lol.. I didn't mean to hate on the guy, I like him as a player, his numbers and accolades are very impressive..just not for an MVP, IMO..

[ojandpizza]

So on to my new question lol.. I've saw on here now, but also in many other threads lots of love for Harden. People thinking his overall should have been much higher even on 2k12, and wanting to consider him one of the top 5 SG guards in the league.. Idk if I'm missing something or if it's just the OKC buzz that's making people so Harden "crazy" but...

His role is to come off the bench and get buckets right? Around 16-17 PPG is very good and very six man of the year worthy, but an 88 overall? He's not near the defender of a Ginobili, much less of a hustle player, I know Ginobili's past season was down some but pretty much every year before that I've saw much more production from him than I have Harden..

Actually Harden's numbers are very comparable to guys like Nick Young and Jamal Crawford.. Those guys have pretty much the same role as well, come in and get buckets.. Nick Young a couple years back in Washington actually had a better season than Harden's, and Crawford has had many seasons with higher numbers than Harden.

Louis Williams is another guy who's numbers are fairly similar as well.. My point is why would Harden be THAT much higher than those guys? Not saying he isn't a good player but what puts him at almost a 90 when the guys I mentioned are likely to even be in the 80s at all? A guy like Crawford would even have higher ball handling, speed, quickness, and passing ratings, so would Lou Williams, and Ginobili would have far better defensive ratings, hustle ratings, probably passing as well and ball handling maybe too?

So I'm asking here, what is supposed to separate Harden.. The fact that he "comes of the bench" argument I don't want to here.. All of the guys mentioned have spent much time coming off the bench and Harden at 31 minutes per game is still getting starting player minutes, in some cases more than some of the guys I named..

I actually really like Harden, love the beard, love the fact him being left handed throws off a lot of defenders as well.. But what is so impressive about what he does? Especially considering his load is greatly lightened by playing with two elite scorers like Westbrook and Durant?

[raps218]

Quote: Originally Posted by ojandpizza

So on to my new question lol.. I've saw on here now, but also in many other threads lots of love for Harden. People thinking his overall should have been much higher even on 2k12, and wanting to consider him one of the top 5 SG guards in the league.. Idk if I'm missing something or if it's just the OKC buzz that's making people so Harden "crazy" but... His role is to come off the bench and get buckets right? Around 16-17 PPG is very good and very six man of the year worthy, but an 88 overall? He's not near the defender of a Ginobili, much less of a hustle player, I know Ginobili's past season was down some but pretty much every year before that I've saw much more production from him than I have Harden.. Actually Harden's numbers are very comparable to guys like Nick Young and Jamal Crawford.. Those guys have pretty much the same role as well, come in and get buckets.. Nick Young a couple years back in Washington actually had a better season than Harden's, and Crawford has had many seasons with higher numbers than Harden. Louis Williams is another guy who's numbers are fairly similar as well.. My point is why would Harden be THAT much higher than those guys? Not saying he isn't a good player but what puts him at almost a 90 when the guys I mentioned are likely to even be in the 80s at all? A guy like Crawford would even have higher ball handling, speed, quickness, and passing ratings, so would Lou Williams, and Ginobili would have far better defensive ratings, hustle ratings, probably passing as well and ball handling maybe too? So I'm asking here, what is supposed to separate Harden.. The fact that he "comes of the bench" argument I don't want to here.. All of the guys mentioned have spent much time coming off the bench and Harden at 31 minutes per game is still getting starting player minutes, in some cases more than some of the guys I named.. I actually really like Harden, love the beard, love the fact him being left handed throws off a lot of defenders as well.. But what is so impressive about what he does? Especially considering his load is greatly lightened by playing with two elite scorers like Westbrook and Durant?

I think its just 2k being 2k. Year after year they do some pretty terrible ratings. I do like harden. like his game. and i love the beard. With all that being said, when ratings are being considered every player should be rated on an all time scale. I redo ratings every year. i dont give anyone a 99. Not prime mj, not lebron. the highest i give is a 96. And the highest rating will be lebron prolly between 94 and 96. Dwight howard is no 96. maybe 88-90. Bosh likely a 86. Hibbert maybe a 78. Harden could be an 80.

90-95 is reserved for perennial all stars who have the ability to take over and change every game. Must have defensive and offensive dominance.(Lebron, cp3, kd, kobe, d wade) *westbrook and rose are borderline*

85-89 is reserved for all stars (rondo,ginobilli,lamarcus aldrigde,kevin love) or people with all star numbers.

79-84 is for strong players who can take over a game in one aspect and are still decent at another. (Strong d and good offense or vice versa. ex james harden, kyle lowry,danny granger,tyson chandler) steve nash would be here because of his stellar offence even tho his defense is sub par. potential 6th men of the year are here also


74-78 is for able and contributing players who are on the cusp of becoming a really good player or are on their way down from becoming a good player.(jamal crawford, jason terry,) very few rookies in my eyes are an 80. and anthony davis is no 80.

69-73 is for players who are rookies, or contrubutors off the bench who likely get 15 mins or less a game.

[chronoxiong]

Dwight Howard is rated too high. He's overratted now because he can't shoot jumpers still and sucks bad at the free-throw line. He should be a 93 or something. Not 96. Bosh should be in the high 80's as he's pretty damn good. Since he's stuck with the Big Three, it's hard to take him as an elite talent in the 90's I guess now.

[andeee]

Quote: Originally Posted by chronoxiong

Dwight Howard is rated too high. He's overratted now because he can't shoot jumpers still and sucks bad at the free-throw line. He should be a 93 or something. Not 96. Bosh should be in the high 80's as he's pretty damn good. Since he's stuck with the Big Three, it's hard to take him as an elite talent in the 90's I guess now.

Shooting jumpers and free throws aren't high priority for centers in 2K's rating system. Not being able to do either well isn't going to drop his rating by 3 points.

[chronoxiong]

He still doesn't shouldn't be a 96. He's nothing compared to Shaq in his prime. He can barely crack 20 points average per game. That's why I say that 96 is a little too high for him. Maybe a 93 or something like that will be good. But that's just my opinion.

[raul24NDLAL12]

Quote: Originally Posted by chronoxiong

He still doesn't shouldn't be a 96. He's nothing compared to Shaq in his prime. He can barely crack 20 points average per game. That's why I say that 96 is a little too high for him. Maybe a 93 or something like that will be good. But that's just my opinion.

Lol really? Dwight is a better defender than Shaq will ever be. If dwight was getting 18-19 touches per game like Shaq I can guarantee you he will average 27-29 PPG easily.
Dwight is so dominate that it ceases to amaze me that Orlando didn't give him more touches.