NBA 2K13 Ratings - Dwight Howard – 96, Chris Bosh - 83, Roy Hibbert - 86

[24ct]

Quote: Originally Posted by ojandpizza

Regardless of the fact that D Rose is the only PG other than O average 25, 7, and 4, - 7.5 assists is not AT ALL impressive for an elite PG.. Actually I'm surprised they even let a PG who doesn't average a double double win the MVP award.. I mean no center averaging under 10 boards per is going to get any votes, tell me I'm wrong? I'm also VERY surprised they let a player only averaging 25ppg win the MVP award without averaging a double double as well. MVP = most valuable player. Rose may have played well but number wise he should not have won MVP, and value wise he should not have won.. You're going to tell me he brings the same value to his team that LeBron, KD, CP3, Kobe or even Rondo does..?? Combine that with the fact that he didn't even have a superb stat line. Rose winning MVP was a fluke, anybody who watched the NBA this past season saw the Bulls flourish to the best record in te east while their "MVP" missed most of the games, and the games he didn't miss wasn't 100%.. That teams defense has 10 times the value to their wins that D Rose does.. Rose better be very happy he won that MVP because I highly doubt he's ever getting another one SMH.. I've never actually went back and looked at his numbers until now, I'm very shocked, I was somewhat shocked before but now I can't believe he won, that is just not impressive at all..

So....
How is 25 7 & 4 not impressive for a PG to you?

What other PG puts up THOSE numbers besides Westbrook?
His assists actually dropped with a higher point total...
Rose was 3 assists away from a double double...

[Chalky White]

Terrible rosters by 2k per usual. Seems I'll be doing a whole bunch of editing, particularly to Lakers players, whom seem to have fans in positions that matter on the dev team.

Howard a 96? Gasol an 87? Just an absolute joke. Especially considering Howard is two full points above Durant, whom was clearly better than Howard last season and while leading his team to the finals where he posted one of the greatest scoring performances of all time.(30ppg/54fg%/65ts%)

And if Hibbert is an 86, Demarcus Cousins and Greg Monroe need to be 88-90. Same goes for James Harden, should be 87-88 if Manu and Gordon are 86 and 85 respectively.

[ojandpizza]

Quote: Originally Posted by 24ct

So.... How is 25 7 & 4 not impressive for a PG to you? What other PG puts up THOSE numbers besides Westbrook? His assists actually dropped with a higher point total... Rose was 3 assists away from a double double...

What do you mean how? 7 assists per game from an all star caliber PG, scratch that MVP WINNING PG.. That's not good much less great..

Like I said before you have to go all the way back to 1956 to find another PG who won MVP without averaging at least 10 assist per game..

7 assists and 3.5 turnovers, you think that's impressive? LeBron averaged more assists in his second MVP year and he isn't even a PG, and he was also putting up 30 PPG..

Steve freakin Nash, Even out rebounded rose in his second MVP year.. STEVE NASH, dude has no business getting more rebounds than D Rose.. And you still think that's impressive?

And he only averaged 1.0 steal per game as well.. Somebody that quick, and explosive 1 steal? It's obvious the most important part of the Bulls success is their defense, and Rose contributed only 1 steal per game to that? Still impressive?

Durant at 28,7,3

Howard at 23,14- and defensive player of the year.

LeBron at 26.7, 7.1, 7 - all defensive first team

Wade at 25.4, 5.1, 6.3

Any of these guys would have been a better choice in my opinion. Especially considering they bring more VALUE to their teams than does Rose.. As much as I hate to say it I think Dwight should have walked with it, if not he then LeBron..

[ojandpizza]

Quote: Originally Posted by Chalky White

Terrible rosters by 2k per usual. Seems I'll be doing a whole bunch of editing, particularly to Lakers players, whom seem to have fans in positions that matter on the dev team. Howard a 96? Gasol an 87? Just an absolute joke. Especially considering Howard is two full points above Durant, whom was clearly better than Howard last season and while leading his team to the finals where he posted one of the greatest scoring performances of all time.(30ppg/54fg%/65ts%) And if Hibbert is an 86, Demarcus Cousins and Greg Monroe need to be 88-90. Same goes for James Harden, should be 87-88 if Manu and Gordon are 86 and 85 respectively.

James Harden 87-88? NO!

[Altimus]

Quote: Originally Posted by ojandpizza

What do you mean how? 7 assists per game from an all star caliber PG, scratch that MVP WINNING PG.. That's not good much less great.. Like I said before you have to go all the way back to 1956 to find another PG who won MVP without averaging at least 10 assist per game.. 7 assists and 3.5 turnovers, you think that's impressive? LeBron averaged more assists in his second MVP year and he isn't even a PG, and he was also putting up 30 PPG.. Steve freakin Nash, Even out rebounded rose in his second MVP year.. STEVE NASH, dude has no business getting more rebounds than D Rose.. And you still think that's impressive? And he only averaged 1.0 steal per game as well.. Somebody that quick, and explosive 1 steal? It's obvious the most important part of the Bulls success is their defense, and Rose contributed only 1 steal per game to that? Still impressive? Durant at 28,7,3 Howard at 23,14- and defensive player of the year. LeBron at 26.7, 7.1, 7 - all defensive first team Wade at 25.4, 5.1, 6.3 Any of these guys would have been a better choice in my opinion. Especially considering they bring more VALUE to their teams than does Rose.. As much as I hate to say it I think Dwight should have walked with it, if not he then LeBron..

We get it, you don't think Rose shouldn't have won. Done. Now stop looking into stats so much... and if you knew anything about stats you would know steal stats don't translate much into defensive contribution. Just because you're averaging 2.5 steals per doesn't mean you're a great defender or helping your team when you get 2 steals on every 10 times you over play the passing lanes. This isn't always the case but can be. See AI.

[iLLosophy]

Quote: Originally Posted by Altimus

Just because you're averaging 2.5 steals per doesn't mean you're a great defender or helping your team when you get 2 steals on every 10 times you over play the passing lanes. This isn't always the case but can be. See AI.

Or westbrook.

[DBMcGee3]

Marc Gasoft is as good as Chris Bosh? C'mon man!

[24ct]

Quote: Originally Posted by ojandpizza

What do you mean how? 7 assists per game from an all star caliber PG, scratch that MVP WINNING PG.. That's not good much less great.. Like I said before you have to go all the way back to 1956 to find another PG who won MVP without averaging at least 10 assist per game.. 7 assists and 3.5 turnovers, you think that's impressive? LeBron averaged more assists in his second MVP year and he isn't even a PG, and he was also putting up 30 PPG.. Steve freakin Nash, Even out rebounded rose in his second MVP year.. STEVE NASH, dude has no business getting more rebounds than D Rose.. And you still think that's impressive? And he only averaged 1.0 steal per game as well.. Somebody that quick, and explosive 1 steal? It's obvious the most important part of the Bulls success is their defense, and Rose contributed only 1 steal per game to that? Still impressive? Durant at 28,7,3 Howard at 23,14- and defensive player of the year. LeBron at 26.7, 7.1, 7 - all defensive first team Wade at 25.4, 5.1, 6.3 Any of these guys would have been a better choice in my opinion. Especially considering they bring more VALUE to their teams than does Rose.. As much as I hate to say it I think Dwight should have walked with it, if not he then LeBron..

Chicago with Rose made it to the EC Finals...
Chicago without Rose lost in the 1st Round....To an 8th seed....

& You really dont think Rose is important to his team?

Stats dont tell the whole story and if they did a line of 25,7 & 4 for POINT GUARD is outstanding. How many other point guards average that? Derrick Rose averaging 3 more assists wouldnt make that much of a difference and if he did he would avg less points which would make him Chris Paul & Steve Nash not Derrick Rose. He is Rose because he scores like a primary option. And he plays Point Guard the best he can with that Bulls Roster. No shooters outside of Korver...And he manages 7 assists with no offensive threats outside of him and possibly Boozer or Deng and thats not good enough.

If Rose had the talent around him he would avg your beloved double double and then what? Its not all about double double.
Especially when you add his point total takes away from his assist total. Its simple. The more he shoots the more he scores but the less assists he averages because he HAS to score more....He also makes his team better by doing that...he takes pressure off of them....which is why with him they made the EC finals and without him they lost in the 1st round to an 8th seed....

Lebron is a Point Foward....
Thats what he does. Lebron averaged more assists than ALOT of point guards & is the ONLY SF and possibly only player not a PG even in the TOP 15/20 in assists. He plays point from the forward position but what do I know?

But lets not get too off topic....

Im assuming they have Bosh @ Center and if so that would explain his 83 rating but I still think he should be at least closer to 90 than 80. Hes an allstar....But thats 2k for you