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[Slick ric]

Quote: Originally Posted by OTCU

So is Steve Nash better than Kobe? Smh you are the definition of a casual fan

How is he a casual fan? Rose has outplayed CP3 several times so to say he's not on his level is asinine.

[vanboening21]

How is Chris Bosh rated lower than Amare?

[ojandpizza]

Quote: Originally Posted by Slick ric

No......Rose won the MVP because he accounted for more of his team points than any player that season being the only guy on the team who could consistently create for himself and others. Rose was the only player in the top ten in both Points and assist. Rose was just the seventh player and only PG( depending on if you consider the Big O to be a PG) to average over 25 PPG, 7.5 AST, 4.0 REB. Rose was the only PG( Again, depending on if you consider the Big O to be a PG) to amass over 2000 points, 600 assist and 300 rebounds in a season. Being the PG of the team, Rose led his team to the best record in the league despite missing his second and third best players at the time in Noah and Boozer for a combine 57 games. He also had the obstacle of acclimating to a new coach, system and eight new players. Rose performed the best against the best defenses in the league that season( NOT OPINION, actual stat done by basketball-reference.com that year). Rose brought his team back from more fourth quarter deficits than anyone and was a top clutch performer that season as well. CP3 is not a much better defender than Rose, he's much better at stealing the ball but Rose is just as good of an defender. Rose is just more effective than CP3, Rose practically outplays his opponent every night, No other PG outplays their competition on a night-to-night basis more consistently than Rose. Didn't Rose totally outplay CP3 in their head-to-head match-up in the beginning of last season? I bet if the table were reverse we would be bringing this fact up.

Regardless of the fact that D Rose is the only PG other than O average 25, 7, and 4, - 7.5 assists is not AT ALL impressive for an elite PG.. Actually I'm surprised they even let a PG who doesn't average a double double win the MVP award.. I mean no center averaging under 10 boards per is going to get any votes, tell me I'm wrong?

I'm also VERY surprised they let a player only averaging 25ppg win the MVP award without averaging a double double as well.

MVP = most valuable player. Rose may have played well but number wise he should not have won MVP, and value wise he should not have won.. You're going to tell me he brings the same value to his team that LeBron, KD, CP3, Kobe or even Rondo does..?? Combine that with the fact that he didn't even have a superb stat line.

Rose winning MVP was a fluke, anybody who watched the NBA this past season saw the Bulls flourish to the best record in te east while their "MVP" missed most of the games, and the games he didn't miss wasn't 100%.. That teams defense has 10 times the value to their wins that D Rose does..

Rose better be very happy he won that MVP because I highly doubt he's ever getting another one SMH.. I've never actually went back and looked at his numbers until now, I'm very shocked, I was somewhat shocked before but now I can't believe he won, that is just not impressive at all..

[ojandpizza]

^ after looking into it even more he didn't even do anything to offset his low assist average, steals were LOW, turnovers HIGH, I am now completely astonished lol..

How can you have low assists and high turnovers as a PG and win MVP? This is blowing my mind..

lol 6'8 SMALL FORWARD LeBron was averaging more assists in his 2nd MVP season with Cleveland, wow just wow..

[ojandpizza]

To find another PG who won MVP without averaging 10APG you have to go allllll the way back to 1956-57 when Cousy was only averaging 7.5.. The only other instance that this has ever happened, nineteen freakin fifty six lol wow

Also, NO Center has ever won with under 10 boards, the closest to that was PF Dirk at 9, and PF Malone at 9.9 and 9.4

[WarriorPrince]

Quote: Originally Posted by ojandpizza

To find another PG who won MVP without averaging 10APG you have to go allllll the way back to 1956-57 when Cousy was only averaging 7.5.. The only other instance that this has ever happened, nineteen freakin fifty six lol wow Also, NO Center has ever won with under 10 boards, the closest to that was PF Dirk at 9, and PF Malone at 9.9 and 9.4

Rose won the MVP because he was the best player on the team with the best record and they didn't see much of a reason to give it to Lebron at the time. Rose did not put up MVP numbers.

You could make the case for a few others as well, but the performance of their teams and their impact on that team was enough to offset that in the eyes of the voters.

Speaking purely from a statistical point of view [considering PER, EFF] Chris Paul, Tracy McGrady, D-Wade, Kobe, multiple big men, and a few others have dominated some years when they finished in the 5 for MVP voting, but the performance of their teams was not enough to warrant them receiving the trophy.

I think the record of the team weighs almost as much as the players stat line.

[ojandpizza]

Quote: Originally Posted by WarriorPrince

Rose won the MVP because he was the best player on the team with the best record and they didn't see much of a reason to give it to Lebron at the time. Rose did not put up MVP numbers. You could make the case for a few others as well, but the performance of their teams and their impact on that team was enough to offset that in the eyes of the voters. Speaking purely from a statistical point of view [considering PER, EFF] Chris Paul, Tracy McGrady, D-Wade, Kobe, multiple big men, and a few others have dominated some years when they finished in the 5 for MVP voting, but the performance of their teams was not enough to warrant them receiving the trophy. I think the record of the team weighs almost as much as the players stat line.

I know why he won it, I understand they had the best record.. But them having the top record doesn't mean it was all Rose, I mean we clearly saw this past year how good they still were without him.. That has to drop his value tremendously.. Let's see the Heat without Bron, or Lakers without Kobe, or Thunder without Durant, Or (here's the big one) the Magic without Dwight.. All those guys have more "value" to their team than Rose does/did.

The Heat were 4 wins away, Thunder 7 wins away, Lakers 5 wins away, Boston 6 wins away, Orlando 10 wins away > Not to mention all of these teams are playoff teams.. After that record means NOTHING except for home court advantage.. It's moronic that they even let the record of a team dictate that much, if you're a playoff team that's all that matters.. Did the Bulls win it all? Or even make the Finals?

LeBron, Wade, Howard, Durant, Kobe all of those guys could/should have won it over him, Dwight had a MONSTER year..

Hell even Rondo averaged a double double lol

[OTCU]

Quote: Originally Posted by Slick ric

How is he a casual fan? Rose has outplayed CP3 several times so to say he's not on his level is asinine.

He said Chris Paul wasn't on roses level. Go back and read the posts before quoting me.