Sound Off: Unwritten Rules Good or Bad for the Game?

[ImTellinTim]

Quote: Originally Posted by kingkilla56

Its funny. This play has gone on for decades and not once have I heard "OMG they just let them take a knee like that? How dare they not play to the last whistle. I thought the game lasts 60 minutes? This is football isn't it?" But now all of a sudden the Bucs did the right thing. Ok then.

Just because other teams haven't done it recently doesn't mean the Giants have a point when they get their panties in a bunch. I'm sure if you went back through the years, you'd find plenty of examples where a team's d-line tried to get a push down by 1 score. I bet the main difference is the o-line didn't get embarrassingly blown back on their ***.

Quote: Originally Posted by JG1986

I guess my hang up isn't so much the win vs the loss point of everything. I'm not criticizing the strategy. I have no problem with teams letting their opponents score if they feel that is their best of winning. What my gripe is the fact that Schiano wants to play tough nose football. Well, how are you going to allow the opponent to score on two consecutive plays (the first of which, Brown kneeled). I don't think we would ever see a SF, Bal, or Pitt do that, but yet to me, this is the type of team that Schiano wants to coach. Their defense let up in the second half. Instead of trying to force a fumble on the kneel down, why don't you play ALL 60 minutes and try to make something happen on that last TD drive for the Giants. I guess my issue isn't really so much the unwritten rules thing, but rather the fact that Schiano baffles me. I don't care about the whole well letting the Giants score is the best way that my team has to win (how does that even work?). It seems to me like a way to tie. Its the fact that Schiano wants to be recognized around the league as this tough coach with a tough team. Well, letting the Giants score, at least to me, and you can't really change how I feel, is contradictory.

The correct strategy is to get the ball back in your hands in that situation. If that means allowing a TD, then you allow the score. Then the correct strategy at the end is to try to recover a fumble. In both cases, Schiano is employing the strategy that will result in his team winning the highest percentage of the time. We're dealing with small percentages, but in both cases, it's the correct play. Not sure what's contradictory about that.

[kingkilla56]

Quote: Originally Posted by ImTellinTim

Just because other teams haven't done it recently doesn't mean the Giants have a point when they get their panties in a bunch. I'm sure if you went back through the years, you'd find plenty of examples where a team's d-line tried to get a push down by 1 score. I bet the main difference is the o-line didn't get embarrassingly blown back on their ***.

Yes that must be it Tim. Its all about the oline being embarrassed.

[ImTellinTim]

Quote: Originally Posted by kingkilla56

Yes that must be it Tim. Its all about the oline being embarrassed.

Wait, are you suggesting that the Giants are the target of some kind of irrational criticism because they're the Giants? Please.

When the offense isn't attempting to advance the ball at that point of the game, there is only one way that the defense is going to get the ball back. And that's by pushing the offensive line into the quarterback causing a fumble. It could have worked too. Coughlin's conniption fit on the field was embarrassing and came off as whining when he should have been tearing his line a new ******* for allowing that to happen.

[JG1986]

Quote: Originally Posted by ImTellinTim

Just because other teams haven't done it recently doesn't mean the Giants have a point when they get their panties in a bunch. I'm sure if you went back through the years, you'd find plenty of examples where a team's d-line tried to get a push down by 1 score. I bet the main difference is the o-line didn't get embarrassingly blown back on their ***. The correct strategy is to get the ball back in your hands in that situation. If that means allowing a TD, then you allow the score. Then the correct strategy at the end is to try to recover a fumble. In both cases, Schiano is employing the strategy that will result in his team winning the highest percentage of the time. We're dealing with small percentages, but in both cases, it's the correct play. Not sure what's contradictory about that.

Ok. I will type slower for you. I feel it is contradictory to tell your players to play smash mouth football but give up free TDs.

Also, if I remember correctly, Schiano had one timeout left before the game ended. It doesn't take 5 seconds for a kneel down. So why did he not call a timeout and do it all over again? He's just a punk, that's why.

[ImTellinTim]

Quote: Originally Posted by JG1986

Ok. I will type slower for you. I feel it is contradictory to tell your players to play smash mouth football but give up free TDs. Also, if I remember correctly, Schiano had one timeout left before the game ended. It doesn't take 5 seconds for a kneel down. So why did he not call a timeout and do it all over again? He's just a punk, that's why.

Oh, OK, so you have personal feelings about Schiano. That's what I thought.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Quote: Originally Posted by ImTellinTim

Just because other teams haven't done it recently doesn't mean the Giants have a point when they get their panties in a bunch. I'm sure if you went back through the years, you'd find plenty of examples where a team's d-line tried to get a push down by 1 score. I bet the main difference is the o-line didn't get embarrassingly blown back on their ***.

The difference is that team's Coach doesn't throw a hissy fit and if Coughlin doesn't do that then the Media has no reason to make that a story, especially since it happens more than people think it does, and we also don't have a 5 page thread going on about this.

[JG1986]

Quote: Originally Posted by ImTellinTim

Oh, OK, so you have personal feelings about Schiano. That's what I thought.

Exactly, comment on the above statement, but leave out the other part...Schiano can't coach. Probably had no idea he had a timeout left. He is full of himself. The only reason he did what he did was to send a statement to the NFL.

[kingkilla56]

Quote: Originally Posted by ImTellinTim

Wait, are you suggesting that the Giants are the target of some kind of irrational criticism because they're the Giants? Please. When the offense isn't attempting to advance the ball at that point of the game, there is only one way that the defense is going to get the ball back. And that's by pushing the offensive line into the quarterback causing a fumble. It could have worked too. Coughlin's conniption fit on the field was embarrassing and came off as whining when he should have been tearing his line a new ******* for allowing that to happen.

Lol that was world class putting words in someone else's mouth right there Tim. I didn't say anything about the Giants franchise being targeted so where that came from was purely your imagination. So you can hold your please.

Additionally, I agree the only way to win the game at that point is for the defense to somehow cause a turnover. But who is arguing against this though? The victory formation is what it is.