Many More NBA 2K13 Player Ratings Revealed - Knicks, Lakers, Bulls, Heat and More

[ojandpizza]

Quote: Originally Posted by Jakeness23

You're saying that the Heat went and signed 3 All-Stars and they don't run the offense through them? I'm pretty sure I saw the ball in one of those three guys' hands EVERY time down court. LeBron is essentially the point guard because everything goes through him. And maybe Bosh doesn't get as many offensive boards because he has to clear the lane for LeBron, but he COULD get more defensive boards, I mean LeBron's rebounding numbers went up, why couldn't Bosh rebound as effectively as he did in Toronto? Here's a 3rd option All-Star who had amazing stats: Andrew Bynum (former 3rd option of the LA Lakers) 18.7 PPG 11.8 RPG (almost 12 rebounds with another 7 footer beside of him) 2.0 BPG And I don't know who was considered the 3rd option for the Lakers back when they had Jerry West, Wilt Chamberlain, and Elgin Baylor, but I'm fairly certain they all had above average stats as well... So it IS possible to have great averages even as a 3rd option.

Bosh does have good defensive rebound numbers, he doesn't even average 2 offensive rebounds per game, pretty much all of his rebounds are defensive and his defensive rebounds are higher than Amar'e.. Actually they're pretty much identical to Tyson Chandlers defensive rebound numbers..

[DBMcGee3]

Nate Robinson is the same rating as Jason Terry and OJ Mayo? If that were really the case my Bulls would be lovin it!

[Vni]

Feels like Robinson is 12 points higher than he should be.

[ronyell]

knowing in advance that we will be severely overhauling these ratings anyways & with higher profile players to debate... my highest level of disgust comes from Toney Dougkas being rated a 72... smh... must have him listed at SG again.

they need to revamp what attributes are weighted the most in regard to OVR if they are going to continue to have rotations determined by OVR

[ronyell]

Quote: Originally Posted by ojandpizza

Bosh does have good defensive rebound numbers, he doesn't even average 2 offensive rebounds per game, pretty much all of his rebounds are defensive and his defensive rebounds are higher than Amar'e.. Actually they're pretty much identical to Tyson Chandlers defensive rebound numbers..

must keep in mind that in real life as well as the sim/stat engine in 2k... stats depend on the level of their teammates. Bosh grabs lots of boards because he & Lebron are the ONLY players on their team that CAN grab boards effectively AND the get enough minutes to do so. Tyson on the other hand has been a focal rebounder no matter what team he has been on. Put Bosh on a team wih let's say Al Jefferson... he wouldn't grab as many rebounds.

ratings have to be tested in the sim engine AS WELL as based off of statistics... example.. ast year we had to lower some players rebounding ratings on the T'Wolves to get K-Love to get the proper RPG because 2k had his teammates rebounding ratings a lil too good for where they actually are & they tok away Love's rebounds... same goes for assists & awareness... they have to be balanced in game.

[KB2009Champ]

Quote: Originally Posted by ronyell

must keep in mind that in real life as well as the sim/stat engine in 2k... stats depend on the level of their teammates. Bosh grabs lots of boards because he & Lebron are the ONLY players on their team that CAN grab boards effectively AND the get enough minutes to do so. Tyson on the other hand has been a focal rebounder no matter what team he has been on. Put Bosh on a team wih let's say Al Jefferson... he wouldn't grab as many rebounds

Which strong rebounders did Chandler play with in Dallas? Dirk? Nope.

Wade is also an exceptional rebounder for a guard. So its not just Lebron and Bosh on the boards for Miami.

[ojandpizza]

Quote: Originally Posted by ronyell

must keep in mind that in real life as well as the sim/stat engine in 2k... stats depend on the level of their teammates. Bosh grabs lots of boards because he & Lebron are the ONLY players on their team that CAN grab boards effectively AND the get enough minutes to do so. Tyson on the other hand has been a focal rebounder no matter what team he has been on. Put Bosh on a team wih let's say Al Jefferson... he wouldn't grab as many rebounds

The whole point of that post was because the guy was arguing Bosh vs. Amar'e.. I wasn't trying to compare him to Chandler, it was just that one instance.. You should read the other posts to get an idea of what was being said...

And you're actually wrong, Haslem and Anthony and even Turiaf are all very capable at getting rebounds. ... While they aren't big time starters like Chandler they all combine for lots of minutes to fill the "void" of that "other big man" that the Heat don't have.. That takes rebounds away from Bosh. Also with the very few minutes per game the other guys get they also take away boards.. Howard and Pittman at almost 9 per 36 minutes and Gladness at an astonishing 14 boards for 36 minutes..while they all don't play huge minutes individually there is always one of them on the court and they all combine to take away a significant number of boards..

[Belly_of_a_Whale]

Quote: Originally Posted by Jakeness23

You're saying that the Heat went and signed 3 All-Stars and they don't run the offense through them? I'm pretty sure I saw the ball in one of those three guys' hands EVERY time down court. LeBron is essentially the point guard because everything goes through him. And maybe Bosh doesn't get as many offensive boards because he has to clear the lane for LeBron, but he COULD get more defensive boards, I mean LeBron's rebounding numbers went up, why couldn't Bosh rebound as effectively as he did in Toronto? Here's a 3rd option All-Star who had amazing stats: Andrew Bynum (former 3rd option of the LA Lakers) 18.7 PPG 11.8 RPG (almost 12 rebounds with another 7 footer beside of him) 2.0 BPG And I don't know who was considered the 3rd option for the Lakers back when they had Jerry West, Wilt Chamberlain, and Elgin Baylor, but I'm fairly certain they all had above average stats as well... So it IS possible to have great averages even as a 3rd option.

Except that Bynum was the 2nd option. Pau was the third.

Even so, watch Bynum's numbers skyrocket this season as the number 1 option, which is really the point: Bosh's numbers suffer playing with 2 superstars on a championship team MORE than Amare's numbers suffer playing with 1 (almost)superstar on a team that barely makes the playoffs.

And yet, BOSH'S NUMBERS ACROSS THE BOARD WERE BETTER THAN AMARE'S LAST SEASON.

End of debate.