Madden NFL 13 Title Update #2 Arrives Tomorrow, Player Editing Still Being Explored

[bucky60]

Quote: Originally Posted by EmmdotFrisk

What do you think the prerequisite to be a Game Changer is?

How would I know. I don't pick them. I'm just giving my impression of a couple that I ran across here at OS. A couple were just bad, while I think a couple other that I got to know were very good.

Why don't you tell me what the prerequisite's are?

[GiantBlue76]

Quote: Originally Posted by Dewiel

I continue to find shots like this over here hilarious to be honest. These guys come in and do nothing but represent the community and are always attacked by guys. We even bring guys into the program from The Sim Standard and then they're just called fan boys. The truth is the group gives us great feedback and even finds items that never go mainstream or are addressed before launch. So many of the features that guys over here like this year have been impacted by the group. I know this isn't the entire community as a whole, but too many guys spend time trying to tear guys down instead of remembering what community was/is about... providing feedback on our favorite games and finding like minded people to game with. You don't have to take me for my word. I would say that everyone who has met me knows that I'm an honest straightforward person who wants the best out of our games. I hand pick the guys in the group and know they want the same thing as well. Take it for what it's worth. I just want to make sure guys have the real side of things and not something that is assumed.

If you really wanted to maintain a level of professionalism, you wouldn't have even responded to his post. Your response is very indicative of how things are done regarding this game at Tiburon. The product has been nothing short of terrible going on 8 years now. This year's game is the first game that shows SOME sort of effort. While it isn't fair to lump all of the gamechangers into the same bucket, you were strangely absent when some of them defended every aspect of Madden that was truly done poorly and incomplete. There was no mention of the lack of editing, the ridiculous number of oversights and bugs regarding both offline and online CC, nor the issues regarding the gameplay.

Also, just because you brought in a few guys from the sim standard and wined and dined them into trying to tell us the game was incredibly better doesn't carry any weight. You have a guy who was one of the original youtube critics who is doing great work by showing all of the glaring gameplay issues still in Madden in a professional and respectful manner that were done better in that "other" game, but you're in no hurry to include him. If you really were interested in making the game better, you would not be responding to a comment that provided no value, but you would simply be gathering the input from the community as a whole and realizing that there are massive issues with this game year after year. You're talking about a company who bought an exclusive license to the nation's most popular sport, then proceeded to destroy it with colossally bad products for 8 years.

Also, we all know why you mention the TSS guys. Your thinking was that if you brought in the supposed "harshest madden critics", you'd brainwash people into thinking that the game MUST be better. People make up their own mind here by playing the game. Tons of things are still broken gameplay wise, but to add to it, a bunch of things were removed and are now bug ridden that were in the non-gameplay areas. People are going to be upset. The price of the game wasn't lowered, so people's expectations aren't going to be.

Also, let's not forget the face of the gamechangers for Madden. SGibs and ZFarls (nothing personal), but they are admitted tourney type/glitch players. They profit by writing strategy guides that tell you how to simply win at Madden, completely disregarding "football", yet you are touting this as a true simulation game. Come on now...

There is a wealth of information here on OS that has been here for nearly a decade. Tiburon has chosen not to use it to improve the game. People are going to have their opinions about your game changer program. Have the mettle to take the info you need from the "negative" comments in order to make the product better. Even though you may not like how it was written or presented, the important thing is that you get the information.

People who want to play NFL games want to play football, not Madden-Ball. We're all tired of comparing this to the other game on the field, and complaining about the bugs in the mode off the field. Plenty of people want to love this game. Line play, player movement, running animations, NFL rules, NFL atmosphere, NFL presentation, realistic roster and off field management need major work to catch up to where we were. That's the feedback the team needs to hear about. When those things are finally polished and we get a product worth 65.00 that looks like a company with all access to the NFL built it, then more respect for the development team and its affiliates will follow.

[SECElit3]

Quote: Originally Posted by EmmdotFrisk

We are extremely motivated to address all uncovered issues. What bugs are bothering you the most?

Not trying to interfere here, but I do have a major concern. It involves the lack of difficulty in CCM. This is not only a concern by me, but I think I can confidently say this a major concern of the community. Sliders are a very important part of the game for those who like to modify it to their liking. In CCM, it seems the sliders do not work properly.

I would like to ask that EA please evaluate how the CPU performs in CCM. Please take a look at tuning the CPU running backs so they perform as they did in the demo. Also evaluate the end of game clock management by the CPU. I know there is no need to go into detail on these things, as you have most likely already been informed of the issues.

I beg of the developers to please take a look at these things. Thanks!

[bucky60]

Quote: Originally Posted by kehlis

I get that and can live with it. What I don't understand is why the old franchise mode wasn't just left in like they did with NHL?

I would have liked to see the old franchise left in until CCM was developed enough to replace the old franchise, providing all those features that are now lost in a franchise/CCM.

Once CCM provided all the functionality of last years franchise, I wouldn't miss the old franchise.

[chargersfan21]

Quote: Originally Posted by Dewiel

We can agree to disagree. It's not worth your time or mine to argue this point. I sit in the room and hear the feedback. They're not yes men. These guys just provide the feedback in a constructive way. Any one who looks at Madden 12 compared to Madden 13 can see the improvements. Those guys have played a role in that. Sure, they were just as disappointed by some things not being in, but they also understand where we're going.

As appreciated as the time you take to check here and post is, the developers have to get that, regardless of surface improvements such as presentation, the present game is not yet superior to Madden 12.

When you have a problem like the computer struggling to this level in the run game, from a football basics standpoint the game is a failure. An NFL offense can run the ball or pass it. A current CCM - this year's big new feature -Madden offense can do only half of that. The computer consistently rushing for 20 attempts for 40 yards, for example, or the Packers running the ball 40 times and throwing 10 - both documented problems - kill the game. When that much strategy is removed, without the ability to fix it via currently ineffective sliders, what's the point?

I agree that a fix in the first patch would be unrealistic, but a fix this year isn't. This problem is so blatantly obvious yet apparently never noticed and at least thus far left unaddressed. IMO, that's the most frustrating point.

[SECElit3]

Quote: Originally Posted by tazdevil20

If you really wanted to maintain a level of professionalism, you wouldn't have even responded to his post. Your response is very indicative of how things are done regarding this game at Tiburon. The product has been nothing short of terrible going on 8 years now. This year's game is the first game that shows SOME sort of effort. While it isn't fair to lump all of the gamechangers into the same bucket, you were strangely absent when some of them defended every aspect of Madden that was truly done poorly and incomplete. There was no mention of the lack of editing, the ridiculous number of oversights and bugs regarding both offline and online CC, nor the issues regarding the gameplay. Also, just because you brought in a few guys from the sim standard and wined and dined them into trying to tell us the game was incredibly better doesn't carry any weight. You have a guy who was one of the original youtube critics who is doing great work by showing all of the glaring gameplay issues still in Madden in a professional and respectful manner that were done better in that "other" game, but you're in no hurry to include him. If you really were interested in making the game better, you would not be responding to a comment that provided no value, but you would simply be gathering the input from the community as a whole and realizing that there are massive issues with this game year after year. You're talking about a company who bought an exclusive license to the nation's most popular sport, then proceeded to destroy it with colossally bad products for 8 years. Also, we all know why you mention the TSS guys. Your thinking was that if you brought in the supposed "harshest madden critics", you'd brainwash people into thinking that the game MUST be better. People make up their own mind here by playing the game. Tons of things are still broken gameplay wise, but to add to it, a bunch of things were removed and are now bug ridden that were in the non-gameplay areas. People are going to be upset. The price of the game wasn't lowered, so people's expectations aren't going to be. Also, let's not forget the face of the gamechangers for Madden. SGibs and ZFarls (nothing personal), but they are admitted tourney type/glitch players. They profit by writing strategy guides that tell you how to simply win at Madden, completely disregarding "football", yet you are touting this as a true simulation game. Come on now... There is a wealth of information here on OS that has been here for nearly a decade. Tiburon has chosen not to use it to improve the game. People are going to have their opinions about your game changer program. Have the mettle to take the info you need from the "negative" comments in order to make the product better. Even though you may not like how it was written or presented, the important thing is that you get the information. People who want to play NFL games want to play football, not Madden-Ball. We're all tired of comparing this to the other game on the field, and complaining about the bugs in the mode off the field. Plenty of people want to love this game. Line play, player movement, running animations, NFL rules, NFL atmosphere, NFL presentation, realistic roster and off field management need major work to catch up to where we were. That's the feedback the team needs to hear about. When those things are finally polished and we get a product worth 65.00 that looks like a company with all access to the NFL built it, then more respect for the development team and its affiliates will follow.

great post!

[DJ]

Quote: Originally Posted by roadman

It should be listed tomorrow, but I'm not sure if I would expect those issues to be address a few weeks after launch. We'll see.

Oh man, at the very least I hope the Offline CCM is fixed with the XP points, depth charts, auto subs, etc. I really don't want to have to play Online CCM and be subjected to playing on the EA servers.

Maybe one of these days I'll wise up and wait until the patches are out before I buy these games. It's getting ridiculous that I buy these games at launch and then wind up having to wait 3-4 months before the game is fully operational. By that time, I've grown tired of the bugs/issues, and have moved on.

I try not to overly dissect these games and enjoy them for what they are but at the same time, when core issues are shipped out with the game and then not addressed in the first patch, I have to wonder what exactly is going on? If this stuff is being caught by members of this site within 48 hours of release, why isn't it being caught during testing?

Madden 13 can be a fun game and I see the potential, but I'd be lying if I wasn't very frustrated with the number of issues the game currently has.

[Hades71]

Quote: Originally Posted by Airdrop01

I've went out and bought 12 again for the franchise. The truest thing I ever read from these boards is when someone from EA slipped up and called this a "reboot" year. Of course, that wasn't said before they got the money.

They overhauled the entire game, how would you not know it was a reboot year? Of course not all features will make it in year one. SMFH