NBA 2K13 Ratings: Austin Rivers - 67, Amare Stoudemire - 84, Chris Paul - 94

[Colts18]

Quote: Originally Posted by DukeC

They don't mean that though. Just because you give someone a sig skill doesn't mean it is necessarily an Elite title. Shane Battier has 5 of them. Bosh has 1. Does that mean Battier > Bosh? Of course not.

I don't even know what you are saying. Re-read what you said please.

Battier has more than Bosh because there are more sig skills that he excels in. Nothing further. How you deduced that I am saying that Battier is better than Bosh because of that is beyond me. Don't even know where that type of logic is taught.

[Colts18]

And the skills that we are discussing here (ankle breaker + eraser) are skills for players that have shown (past tense) that they are on top of the world when it comes to breaking down NBA Defenders and denying shots at the rim put up by NBA Offensive Players.

Other than that, Rivers and Davis can get ratings just like the rest of the world until they have proven that they need to sit in Elite Company and graduate from just having a rating.

Again, I think some of you forget we have ratings.

[Belly_of_a_Whale]

Quote: Originally Posted by ojandpizza

Since Deron playing for a horrible team in your opinion should in no way hurt his production I'll compare him to a guard who plays for a GREAT team and the see what you think.. FG % 43, FG% 40, FG% 47, FG%44 FT% 81, FT%. 84, FT% 86, FT%59 3PT% 31, 3PT% 34, 3PT% 37, 3%23 PPG-22, PPG-21 PPG - 19, PPG- 12 APG- 7.9, APG- 8.7, APG- 9, APG- 11 SPG- .9, SPG- 1.2, SPG- 2.5,SPG-1.8 Player on the left - D Rose, next player - Deron Williams, next player- CP, far right- Rondo..... So since Deron's past season was so "horrible" I guess that means Rose's and Rondo's was equally bad, and CP wasn't much better.. Yet Rose and CP get constant praise in every one of these rating threads..

Well, winning should count for something- it represents intangibles that numbers cannot capture- and DWill has NEVER won on the level of those other 3 guards. That's why he's never the top ranked point guard. He's in the discussion, sure, but losing puts him at a disadvantage. It just does. Does that mean he should be dropped into the 80's, hell no, but it does cost him a point or two and it's why CP3 always gets rated higher (not to mention CP3's better defense/steals/assists numbers) and it's probably what gives Rose that slight edge.

If it weren't for winning intangibles, I'd guess DWill would surpass Rose in overall ratings. As it is, he still will/should be rated higher than Rondo (look at those shooting percentages- ouch!), but it'll be close, as Rondo has proven to have winning intangibles and DWill has not.

If 2K didn't take winning into account, then players like Corey Magette would be video game all-stars and in the playoffs every year of your Association. Winning matters; it's an actual reflection of players being/playing better than other players, whether their individual stats reflect it or not.

[Belly_of_a_Whale]

2K has well over 286,000 followers- where are my ratings!! I don't care if it IS the weekend!

Hoping to get Barkley's rating. Would also be interested in Bosh, DWill, Lillard, Wade, Batum, TP, Roy, Beal, Kyrie, Nash, Pau, Kirelinko, Shved, Ray, Dirk, Aldridge, Howard, Adam Morrison etc etc etc etc...

[Phreezy P]

Quote: Originally Posted by DukeC

They don't mean that though. Just because you give someone a sig skill doesn't mean it is necessarily an Elite title. Shane Battier has 5 of them. Bosh has 1. Does that mean Battier > Bosh? Of course not.

Where did you get that info?

[Colts18]

Deron not winning is not his fault. I don't think anyone has ever partially blamed him either. Rose and CP3 just have been more fortunate. I wouldn't dare say that they are automatically better leaders because their teams have had more success. There are so many holes in that standpoint.

[ojandpizza]

I'm not saying that Deron needs to be rated higher than them all.. But he needs to at least be equal with Rose if not higher... And as for "winning" Rondo is the only player of them all who as actually won anything with large playoff success..

[ojandpizza]

Quote: Originally Posted by iLLosophy

I think they said only certain ones are elite. Pretty sure ones like Alley Ooper and Corner 3 might be spread out more than say Floor General or defensive anchor.

Yeah I think that's right