NBA 2K13 Ratings: Austin Rivers - 67, Amare Stoudemire - 84, Chris Paul - 94

[Norris_Cole]

Quote: Originally Posted by Colts18

So the argument is simply: Me: Start them out with nothing, if they earn them, give it to them You: Start them out with something, if they don't deserve them, take them away.

Basically that, I'm part of the 2nd group by the way. No need to underrate good players who clearly have those skills just because they are rookies. And we all know we can't trust the 2k insider to update the players on a regular basis

[ojandpizza]

Quote: Originally Posted by Norris_Cole

That's not an excuse, there are a lot of players who play in even worse teams and don't average 40%. Have you ever heard about Kyrie Irving for example? And what does his career have to do with that? This is 2k13, his bad last year is obviously going to be the main source when it comes to decide his rating/attributes

You're completely clueless

[ojandpizza]

Quote: Originally Posted by Norris_Cole

Basically that, I'm part of the 2nd group by the way. No need to underrate good players who clearly have those skills just because they are rookies. And we all know we can't trust the 2k insider to update the players on a regular basis

So you're saying since Rivers played fairly good in college he should have a great overall rating for a rookie... But since Deron Williams has often been considered the best PG in the NBA but had one off season playing with a crappy team his rating should be dropped? YOU MAKE ZERO SENSE!

Also you hated on Deron for shooting 40% while having to play on a horrible team and take lots of shots, and lots of difficult shots.. How about Rivers during summer league.. 10PPG, 2Reb, 3Ast, 21%FG, and 12%3FG... That's a true scoring champ right there! That's some very impressive shooting much better than Williams.. GOOD CALL buddy!

[ojandpizza]

Since Deron playing for a horrible team in your opinion should in no way hurt his production I'll compare him to a guard who plays for a GREAT team and the see what you think..

FG % 43, FG% 40, FG% 47, FG%44
FT% 81, FT%. 84, FT% 86, FT%59
3PT% 31, 3PT% 34, 3PT% 37, 3%23
PPG-22, PPG-21 PPG - 19, PPG- 12
APG- 7.9, APG- 8.7, APG- 9, APG- 11
SPG- .9, SPG- 1.2, SPG- 2.5,SPG-1.8

Player on the left - D Rose, next player - Deron Williams, next player- CP, far right- Rondo..... So since Deron's past season was so "horrible" I guess that means Rose's and Rondo's was equally bad, and CP wasn't much better.. Yet Rose and CP get constant praise in every one of these rating threads..

[Norris_Cole]

Quote: Originally Posted by ojandpizza

So you're saying since Rivers played fairly good in college he should have a great overall rating for a rookie... But since Deron Williams has often been considered the best PG in the NBA but had one off season playing with a crappy team his rating should be dropped? YOU MAKE ZERO SENSE! Also you hated on Deron for shooting 40% while having to play on a horrible team and take lots of shots, and lots of difficult shots.. How about Rivers during summer league.. 10PPG, 2Reb, 3Ast, 21%FG, and 12%3FG... That's a true scoring champ right there! That's some very impressive shooting much better than Williams.. GOOD CALL buddy!

3 straight posts, really dude? I see truth hurts... And Stop putting things in my mouth that I didn't say, kid. Who said anything about Rivers? And I already answered to your argument about Deron playing for a crappy team and "being forced" to take a lot of shots, stop repeating yourself because that's not an excuse

Two words : Kyrie Irving

[Colts18]

Quote: Originally Posted by Norris_Cole

Basically that, I'm part of the 2nd group by the way. No need to underrate good players who clearly have those skills just because they are rookies. And we all know we can't trust the 2k insider to update the players on a regular basis

Underrate? Again, we didn't lose actual attributes. What is the harm in giving them an adequate rating instead of an actual skill? Just because Rivers doesn't have AnkleBreaker won't mean he couldn't be a very good ball handler in the game. Same with Davis. Without the Eraser Skill, he could very well still block a high number of shots.

So for you to say I am not acknowledging that these players do posses a skill isn't accurate. I have alreayd acknowledged the skill but I am not in the business of giving them an "Elite" title. Which Sig Skills seem to represent.

[DukeC]

Quote: Originally Posted by Colts18

Underrate? Again, we didn't lose actual attributes. What is the harm in giving them an adequate rating instead of an actual skill? Just because Rivers doesn't have AnkleBreaker won't mean he couldn't be a very good ball handler in the game. Same with Davis. Without the Eraser Skill, he could very well still block a high number of shots. So for you to say I am not acknowledging that these players do posses a skill isn't accurate. I have alreayd acknowledged the skill but I am not in the business of giving them an "Elite" title. Which Sig Skills seem to represent.

They don't mean that though. Just because you give someone a sig skill doesn't mean it is necessarily an Elite title.

Shane Battier has 5 of them.
Bosh has 1.

Does that mean Battier > Bosh? Of course not.

[iLLosophy]

Quote: Originally Posted by DukeC

They don't mean that though. Just because you give someone a sig skill doesn't mean it is necessarily an Elite title. Shane Battier has 5 of them. Bosh has 1. Does that mean Battier > Bosh? Of course not.

I think they said only certain ones are elite. Pretty sure ones like Alley Ooper and Corner 3 might be spread out more than say Floor General or defensive anchor.