NBA 2K13 Ratings: Austin Rivers - 67, Amare Stoudemire - 84, Chris Paul - 94

[Eman5805]

Quote: Originally Posted by Colts18

Clearly not what I am saying. I am simply saying that calling someone coming into the NBA an ELITE _____ is jumping the gun. Really don't see what is hard to understand.

It's not jumping any firearms. John Wall came into the league with elite speed. He didn't need to have set a single foot on an NBA court to know that.

Certain things can just be taken on solid assumptions. Such as Davis's shot blocking or Rivers's ball handling. Davis had an all-time year sending people's shots the other way. It's not jumping to gun to say he should be doing damn good in the NBA too. If they're wrong and their skills don't pan out right away, that's what roster updates are for.

[Norris_Cole]

Quote: Originally Posted by ojandpizza

He played on a horrible team and was forced to take tough shots and lots of shots.. I guess you only watched last season and not any other year of his career?

That's not an excuse, there are a lot of players who play in even worse teams and don't average 40%. Have you ever heard about Kyrie Irving for example?

And what does his career have to do with that? This is 2k13, his bad last year is obviously going to be the main source when it comes to decide his rating/attributes

[Colts18]

Quote: Originally Posted by Eman5805

It's not jumping any firearms. John Wall came into the league with elite speed. He didn't need to have set a single foot on an NBA court to know that. Certain things can just be taken on solid assumptions. Such as Davis's shot blocking or Rivers's ball handling. Davis had an all-time year sending people's shots the other way. It's not jumping to gun to say he should be doing damn good in the NBA too. If they're wrong and their skills don't pan out right away, that's what roster updates are for.

Again, I am talking about skills and not physical attributes for the 500th time.

Speed and vertical ability are physical traits.

We are talking about skills.

Skills have to be proven vs. Elite competition before a ROOKIE can be labeled elite.

And nobody said Davis' shotblocking and River's ballhandling aren't impressive. I am simply saying before they get a SIG SKILL, what is wrong with them simply having a high rating?

They haven't earned skills yet.

And if they show that they are Elite in those categories, that is what roster updates are for. See how that works?

[Colts18]

Honestly, I think the issue here is some are viewing Sig Skills as simply abilities. Meaning being able to at a decent, good clip. I am viewing them as Standout Skills. Exceptional abilities in certain categories. The top 3 or so % in the league. The Elite. The Anti-Occupy Players.

If you viewed it the way I am viewing it you wouldn't be so quick to argue for putting some damn rookies in that elite company.

You could see those sentiments in the, "Name the Sig Skills for your team" thread. Folks just giving out sig skills like hotcakes. As if everyone deserves at least one sig skill. This isn't a charity folks.

[Joobieo]

Quote: Originally Posted by Colts18

Someone that has never played an NBA minute is underrated? Cool.

Exactly what I was thinking , let's see how he does first .

[Eman5805]

Quote: Originally Posted by Colts18

Again, I am talking about skills and not physical attributes for the 500th time. Speed and vertical ability are physical traits. We are talking about skills. Skills have to be proven vs. Elite competition before a ROOKIE can be labeled elite. And nobody said Davis' shotblocking and River's ballhandling aren't impressive. I am simply saying before they get a SIG SKILL, what is wrong with them simply having a high rating? They haven't earned skills yet. And if they show that they are Elite in those categories, that is what roster updates are for. See how that works?

And I am simply saying, why wait? Odds are they'll get those sig skills anyway. For fear of being wrong? Also, you seem to think these skills are reserved for the elite when I think that's not at all what they're for.

What rating do you need to have to be a Scrapper? Or a Fast Break Starter? These skills aren't necessarily for the best of the best, but for the ones who these skills embody as players on the court. Rivers is already going to handle the rock like a fiend and Davis is already going to be trying his best to lock down the paint. You've already said their skills in those areas are impressive as it stands right now.

Good enough for me. Those skills are part of why they were drafted where they were.

Which is why I don't think Chris Paul should have Ankle Breaker. Not because he's not good enough, he damn sure is, but because I wouldn't define his play style as predicated around fancy dribble moves to shake defenders.

And to your point specifically, I'd say it's really those intangible skills that he'd have to earn rather than the physical ones. Like giving if one of Rivers's skills was Floor General right. Of course that'd be absurd. Or giving Davis Lockdown Defender or Defensive Anchor. I fully expect him to become one if not both of those someday, but that's certainly something he has to earn.

[Colts18]

So the argument is simply:

Me: Start them out with nothing, if they earn them, give it to them

You: Start them out with something, if they don't deserve them, take them away.

[Eman5805]

Quote: Originally Posted by Colts18

So the argument is simply: Me: Start them out with nothing, if they earn them, give it to them You: Start them out with something, if they don't deserve them, take them away.

V Arguments in there V