OS Roundtable: NBA Live's Digital Release a Good Idea?

[Boilerbuzz]

Quote: Originally Posted by Behindshadows

I like all the negativity over this game and I won't say it's not deserving. Because I agree with a few others, that EA got it right with Live 10. Only to let someone with a great vision and effort slip away from their hands. (M. Wang) But for guys to say things as in give up and R.I.P Live series, is just crucial. Now let me show you how what you say is hypocritical: 1. When EA bought the NFL license you ripped them about not having competition and said they would get better if they had it. M13 Proved that wrong, they got better with efforts and time. 2. When EA bought the NCAA License, you said it would get better with competition. NCAA Series overall proved everyone wrong, because 2k's NCAA Football outing was bad and really bad. 3. When 2k bought the MLB License you said it would be better because VC was running the project. (Wrong and Triple wrong) When Kush had them they were great (MLB 2k7) MVP was dead and still modded on PC, and MLB The Show wiped the floor with MLB 2k series. (The MLB 2005 Japanese Baseball game looks amazing) 4. Now you saying that Live should die, yet if anything they should be competitive, release something for crying out loud. But more than enough, release a demo first. No Demo and a lot of people will pass on that fact, because they are 33 days away from releasing it and so far we have yet to get a final build or even a final beta build. I don't want Live series to just completely go away, I want it too improve and get back to Live 10 status with a overdose of steroids and HGH!!!! Get it done... Competition is good, but if one product is crap and the other is rice pudding...(Bad and nasty analogy) then it doesn't deserve to be left without criticism. Live 13 better come with it and I mean come with it....

1. They were ripped because they BOUGHT their way to no competition! And they took EIGHT years to start to really improve and are STILL behind in many ways including line interactions, gap responsibility, and basic movement! Are you blind or just want to twist things to suit your point? You know what finally got to EA? People got tired of it and sales have slipped 4 years straight.

2. See #1. And NCAA is getting PANNED!

3. Kush fell apart and VC was left with no staff OR time to do a game. Not to mention that the only reason they did the deal with the MLB was because EA would have locked them out of every sport if allowed to. You don't know what you're talking about. And it was a bad deal that they let run out. That should tell you something. In the other hand EA still holds FIFA, re-upped with the NFL, but it took the legal system for them to give up NCAA. What does that tell you?

4. People are pissed because they feel Live has COMPLETELY fallen off in quality and that EA has mislead them for the past 3 years! It has nothing to do with NBA 2k.

You don't see why people are frustrated with EA here? Seriously? If anything, these people want Live to step up more than most. But they are getting frustrated. That's it.

[fitzgerald434]

Quote: Originally Posted by Rick_Tha_Rula87

I Loved NBA Live 10 that was a great step in the right direction. They should've built upon Live 10

Even if EA wanted to they couldnt do that because the engine for Live 10 was Mike Wangs engine

[jwtucker710]

Been hearing a lot about this Mike Wang guy ... he wasn't the only one who worked on LIVE 10. He jumps Visual Concepts and goes to EA for a year and then back to Visual Concepts (2K). WTF? Show's you his loyalty. As for EA Sports, I see a lot of people ripping them, but a lot buy their products. NCAA FB 13 and Madden 13 are pretty damn good sports games, as well as FIFA & NHL. Okay, the problem with NBA LIVE is that basketball games have really not sold well in the past. So EA is very cautious, and they know they're going against a great product with 2K13. I think it was O'Brien, who was the main producer for LIVE 08/09, and most of NCAA Basketball (March Madness) series over the years, said the basketball simulation market is not like the football video game market. So, rationally looking at it, why not let 2K have their free rein in the bb market and let EA have the football one? I don't necessarily like that, and I have enjoyed LIVE series over the years (except LIVE 03 and 06. Those were too arcady for me).
So, whatever happens, I hope EA puts a lot of effort into it (which I cannot imagine they wouldn't) and release it as a complete disc. I will be getting 2K 13, but if LIVE is available, I might get it too. But not as a digital download.

[coolcras7]

Quote: Originally Posted by jwtucker710

Been hearing a lot about this Mike Wang guy ... he wasn't the only one who worked on LIVE 10. He jumps Visual Concepts and goes to EA for a year and then back to Visual Concepts (2K). WTF? Show's you his loyalty. As for EA Sports, I see a lot of people ripping them, but a lot buy their products. NCAA FB 13 and Madden 13 are pretty damn good sports games, as well as FIFA & NHL. Okay, the problem with NBA LIVE is that basketball games have really not sold well in the past. So EA is very cautious, and they know they're going against a great product with 2K13. I think it was O'Brien, who was the main producer for LIVE 08/09, and most of NCAA Basketball (March Madness) series over the years, said the basketball simulation market is not like the football video game market. So, rationally looking at it, why not let 2K have their free rein in the bb market and let EA have the football one? I don't necessarily like that, and I have enjoyed LIVE series over the years (except LIVE 03 and 06. Those were too arcady for me). So, whatever happens, I hope EA puts a lot of effort into it (which I cannot imagine they wouldn't) and release it as a complete disc. I will be getting 2K 13, but if LIVE is available, I might get it too. But not as a digital download.

First Mike left Live because EA decided to go in another direction, they did not give him the opportunity to improve on Live 10 but instead EA decided to jump of the RTP bandwagon, you say one man does not make a game true but for a game to be successful there has to be a vision and people capable of directing others towards that vision, that is why Live 10 became Elite because it was the vision of a hockey guy trying to make a basketball game. As for sales 2k11 sold over 5 million copies that is pretty good at $60 per copy.

[Pared]

Plain and simple: considering the state the game seems to be in and they are bound to release the title this is as good an idea as they can possibly do at this point.

[Altimus]

Yep, paying $20 for beta testing is always fun...

And no I don't have to get it but that's what they're seeing from their point. They save a little face for releasing the game and get feedback while charging us for it. Something that could have and should been done for free.

[23]

Quote: Originally Posted by Pared

Plain and simple: considering the state the game seems to be in and they are bound to release the title this is as good an idea as they can possibly do at this point.

I don't think it was their best option, but to even have to say a company as huge as EA "this is the best they can do" speaks volumes of the massive screw up that took place from whoever is making the decisions.

...and again, what happened to all of the "feedback" that was given prior to this?

[Behindshadows]

Quote: Originally Posted by 23

...and again, what happened to all of the "feedback" that was given prior to this?

It's EA!!!! What feedback?

They never listen to us and never will....The criticism is what they hear as a company. The the small fixes they continue to overlook.

A wishlist to them is like a bad Omen...