More NBA 2K13 Player Ratings Revealed - Pippen, Love, Davis, Ellis, Waiters and Iggy

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Bird and LeBron are #1 and #2 all-time at the small forward position. Which one is first is debatable. Pippen is elite for sure, but I'd put him just outside the top 5. People seem to be underplaying just how good Durant is. I'd put him at #5 RIGHT NOW. By the end of his career, he could be top 3. He's that good offensively, and what he lacks in defense, he makes up for with his freakish length. And he's only 23.

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Quote: Originally Posted by TheRetroKid

The relevance if him chosen that highly was that the first dream team was THE team that was put together to showcase the cream of the crop. It was meant to display to the world the absolute talent that the NBA had. As for the starting lineups, they would occasionally, depending on the opponent (Pip started the game versus Croatia). So yeah, being picked for the original Dream Team was an honor, unlike today where the coaches have to keep their fingers crossed and hope the players want to sign on, otherwise, lesser caliber talent is settled upon. If defense was never the focal point, then why throw out Dave debusscher, a player you obviously haven't seen play in person or even on more than 3 ESPN Classics games? You seem to just name drop older players hoping no one really knows much about the game to contest, but Alex English and Rick Barry over Pippen? You're right, I won't contest, because the very notion is just too frustrating. In the endmthough, your opinion is your own, and you're entitled to it.

I'm not trying to under value making the dream team, it is without question the greatest team ever assembled.. I was just saying that him making it didn't show much relevance to the argument.. I mean it was based off players from 1 season.. Who else woulda they have picked at SF? I mean at that point in the NBA with Bird older Pip was the best SF in the league so choosing him was a no brainer..

But I chose DeBusschere simply because his defense was that good, and you're right I'm not old enough to have watched him myself, but I do have games recorded and his stats to look back on... Defensively he was great, so was Pippen.. I gave Dave the edge because his all ball defense was amazing and his ability to be that versatile and guard nearly every position during his era was a huge factor in his teams championship success..

And I didn't say I would take English or Barry over Pippen, I'm saying somebody who valued offense over defense could easily pick those guys instead.. It's always opinion but people seem to forget how great of a scorer both of them were. English was the NBAs leading scorer through perhaps the best decade in NBA history.. That's saying something, you made the point that Pip played in a tough era and English perhaps played in an even tougher one.. Barry was just a scoring machine and still managed to have very good rebounding and assist numbers, a good FG% and amazing FT%.. But what's also impressive about him is his amazing playoff performances, his playoff numbers are ridiculous and he also has a finals MVP award I'm pretty sure.. Barry once averaged 36ppg, 9rpg, and 3apg, pretty darn good..

And trust me I'm not trying to just drop names of older players, if so I would have named a few more to throw in there.. I only named guys who I thought were above him, and then the few extra I named off after wards for other perspectives..

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Quote: Originally Posted by Nokstar

I think pippen is a better on ball defender...I think lebron plays passing lanes better.. Pippen can shoot better in more spots on the floor...shoots better from the free throw line..they are close steals wise...other than that..lebron IMO is better than him in almost everything else. Sent from my Verizon Galaxy S3

I really wish people would stop comparing NBA players of this SUPER SOFT NBA era to Pippens era the players durimg Pippens era played defense were the greatest of all time and even the one that were not considered great TRULY knew how to play the game, if Lebron played during pippens era NO WAY he would score or put up numbers or stats he is putting up REMEMBER guys dont play defense anymore

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Quote: Originally Posted by TRHINO

I really wish people would stop comparing NBA players of this SUPER SOFT NBA era to Pippens era the players durimg Pippens era played defense were the greatest of all time and even the one that were not considered great TRULY knew how to play the game, if Lebron played during pippens era NO WAY he would score or put up numbers or stats he is putting up REMEMBER guys dont play defense anymore

Dude LeBron is one of the few guys who's game could translate to any era.. He's the size of freaking Karl Malone, has the speed of almost any PG and doesn't rely on outside shooting to get his points.. And you're gonna tell me he couldn't play in the 90s? I understand times have changed, I grew up watching the 80s/90s but to say LeBron couldn't hang with those guys is ridiculous... You may not like him, and that's fine, but don't let your opinion on him falsely degrade his talent level..

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Quote: Originally Posted by ojandpizza

Dude LeBron is one of the few guys who's game could translate to any era.. He's the size of freaking Karl Malone, has the speed of almost any PG and doesn't rely on outside shooting to get his points.. And you're gonna tell me he couldn't play in the 90s? I understand times have changed, I grew up watching the 80s/90s but to say LeBron couldn't hang with those guys is ridiculous... You may not like him, and that's fine, but don't let your opinion on him falsely degrade his talent level..

This exactly.

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Quote: Originally Posted by stlpimpmonsta

Not sure how u r justifying 92pips rating by showing highlight that show more about 1994 and beyond........but whatever

man those videos were awsome, what it shows is how great a player Pippen was and how he could take over a game on defense alone, not many players can do that, and it also showed how he progressed as a scorer by adding the 3 pointer to his game. That is how he is justifying with video.

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Quote: Originally Posted by ojandpizza

Dude LeBron is one of the few guys who's game could translate to any era.. He's the size of freaking Karl Malone, has the speed of almost any PG and doesn't rely on outside shooting to get his points.. And you're gonna tell me he couldn't play in the 90s? I understand times have changed, I grew up watching the 80s/90s but to say LeBron couldn't hang with those guys is ridiculous... You may not like him, and that's fine, but don't let your opinion on him falsely degrade his talent level..

Im not i have played basketball and watched it for over 20 years and i know what i am taling about thats fine if you want to be wraped up in the whole Lebron thing because he is what the NBA is marketing now, but like i said this era of NBA is so soft and so about giving players things without them really earning it like MJ has said that it has become a joke, no way Lebron puts up the kind of numbers he is putting up in and era full of greats and and era full of players that were just as big just as strong and who played a thing called DEFENSE, there is a reason theyy changed the rules years ago to appease player like Lebron so they can score which really cheapens the game. Like i said before to many Lebron is along with Kobe the best in this era but when you talking about all time you going way to far. There is nothing Lebron or any of the Top players today do that i havent seen before when i have really watch MJ and Pip play

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Quote: Originally Posted by TRHINO

Im not i have played basketball and watched it for over 20 years and i know what i am taling about thats fine if you want to be wraped up in the whole Lebron thing because he is what the NBA is marketing now, but like i said this era of NBA is so soft and so about giving players things without them really earning it like MJ has said that it has become a joke, no way Lebron puts up the kind of numbers he is putting up in and era full of greats and and era full of players that were just as big just as strong and who played a thing called DEFENSE, there is a reason theyy changed the rules years ago to appease player like Lebron so they can score which really cheapens the game. Like i said before to many Lebron is along with Kobe the best in this era but when you talking about all time you going way to far. There is nothing Lebron or any of the Top players today do that i havent seen before when i have really watch MJ and Pip play

You really sound like more of a casual fan than a true fan who's knowledgeable about the game. Of course everything you see LeBron do you've saw people do before.. That's how the game works.. What do you want him to do? Start shooting from half court and do 360 windmills every time he plays so he can be different? Everything MJ and Pip had been done before too, I don't see your point... And yeah the LeBron could play then..

The leading scorer through the entire 80s was Alex English and you're going to tell me LeBron doesn't have as good of offensively skill set as he does!? PLEASE! not to mention he's bigger, stronger, faster, and jumps higher... I'm not saying the NBA is better now than it was then, but it's still the best basketball players in the entire world.. It's not like it's a push-over league.. Sure rules have changed, that doesn't mean the talent isn't there..

I don't understand what you're basing this on.. Are you saying Pippen could stop LeBron? Even IF he could they would only play each other 2-4 times per season.. So how would LeBron not get his numbers..?