NBA 2K13 - All 31 Signature Skills Revealed

[RyanFitzmagic]

Quote: Originally Posted by Boilerbuzz

So why are we even discussing this then? Now you're REALLY arguing semantics. If I'm on the perimeter, I know with a guy like Chandler, I can take more risks and have them covered up. But the times I succeed go up. There's a net positive there! What do you want to call that effect?

No, the times you succeed do NOT go up. The times you get bailed out for getting dusted by your assignment go up.

Dwight Howard on the floor does not make Turkoglu a better defender. Turkoglu can play tight because he knows Dwight will cover up his mistakes, but whether or not Dwight was there, Hedo would still get dusted.

[J_Posse]

Quote: Originally Posted by francium34

my bad, i basically jumbled two arguments together. 1 was that these players shouldn't have those skills. Kemba shot 36.6% last year, he shouldn't be getting any FG bump. Lin didn't play particularly impressive on ball defense. etc (this is of course only my opinion, and can be easily changed by roster edits) 2. Because 2k decided to cap SS at 5, great players suffer. Let's assume LeBron gets Lockdown, Chase block, shot creator, finisher, and playmaker. But in real life I'd argue he also throws great lop passes, probably better than Felton. Felton (Alley-Ooper) gets a bump in attributes while Lebron doesn't. I hope 2k makes the game so that Felton's passing is only OK normally, but gets bumped up when throwing lobs, but even then he should still not be as effective as LeBron.

Valid points, that I tend to agree with. As this feature is refined and structured better in future iterations the Sig Skill cap limit may increase or be removed entirely. I think for the first year that having a cap limit is acceptable.

I'm hoping they add one for players that use floaters a lot (i.e. Tony Parker, Derrick Rose, Chris Paul and Gary Neal) in the future.

[djwax90]

Quote: Originally Posted by RyanFitzmagic

Or maybe it was because of the coaching :-O

Right, the players said Chandler was the sole addition to the team that changed the defensive culture of the team, so that means they think Carlisle and his assistants are why the defensive culture of the team changed. Your logic astounds me. PS: stop trying to argue against the interviews without having watched them, because you clearly didn't.

Quote: Originally Posted by RyanFitzmagic

I already posted statistical evidence that the Mavs were Top 10 with Chandler in 2011 and Top 10 without him in 2012. You can put your fingers in your ear and go "lalalalala I can't hear you" if you want, but that won't make me wrong.

The 2011 to 2012 argument holds no water compared to the 2010-2011 argument. 99% of my argument has been about the change from 2010 to 2011: a dramatic change rather than no significant change. I said (one time) Chandler's impact had carried over from 2011 to 2012, and you refuse to believe that that could possibly ever be true. I haven't even touched on the 2011 to 2012 stats in about 5 posts. It's like you're clinging to it for dear life.

I think I'll chalk up the rest of your posts to sheer trolling. Clearly, by way of likes, people seem to agree you've already been delivered a hefty smackdown.

[francium34]

Quote: Originally Posted by youALREADYknow

Pretty much what was expected: Some good, some bad. It's still going to come down to roster implementation at the end of the day, so we won't know the final verdict until October 2nd. My only problem with what was posted are some of the modifiers. 6-12 point attribute point changes for teammates/opponents because of a player having a Sig Skill are a bit drastic. 10-30% differences in probabilities are drastic changes from the baseline. I know why it was done though. They want the effect to be obvious and in your face. It's still somewhat arcade-based and something I'd expect from an NBA Jam game. Quite a few of the skills can be manipulated for the sim crowd when combined with objective and very thoroughly designed rosters and that's the good news that can be taken away from this.

It's going to be interesting. 2k is essentially trying to mimic "momentum" and "chemistry". Mystics terms that stat heads furiously debate. (like the kind we see right here)

It might make a better gaming experience, but I worry the competitive-online community will not be too thrilled.

[Da_Czar]

Quote: Originally Posted by RyanFitzmagic

Wouldn't a shooter normally be deterred by a shot-blocker simply because the shot will be blocked, and not because some supernatural, Space-Jam talent decrease will occur as a result?

I'm not here to dance with you over something you apparently don't think is a good idea. LOL You have your opinion I offered a different viewpoint.

[Boilerbuzz]

Quote: Originally Posted by RyanFitzmagic

No, the times you succeed do NOT go up. The times you get bailed out for getting dusted by your assignment go up. Dwight Howard on the floor does not make Turkoglu a better defender. Turkoglu can play tight because he knows Dwight will cover up his mistakes, but whether or not Dwight was there, Hedo would still get dusted.

Yes they do. Example - I attempt no steals - I get zero steals. I attempt 5 steals, get 1 one (Chandler covers up the missed 4). Net effect - +1 steal!

Simple enough? Now, what do you want to call that effect?!

Another poster said - Chandler allows him to pressure the ball more leading to tougher passes and more contested shots at the risk of the drive that Chandler covers up. What do you want to call that effect?

You're coming off as if the effect is going to turn every teammate into Gary Payton. Well, hell, a guy that's rated 55 versus 50 is still ***. Why is this such a big deal for you? Just answer that. I'm not going to argue the rest with you.

[RyanFitzmagic]

Quote: Originally Posted by djwax90

Right, the players said Chandler was the sole addition to the team that changed the defensive culture of the team, so that means they think Carlisle and his assistants are why the defensive culture of the team changed. Your logic astounds me. PS: stop trying to argue against the interviews without having watched them, because you clearly didn't. The 2011 to 2012 argument holds no water compared to the 2010-2011 argument. 99% of my argument has been about the change from 2010 to 2011: a dramatic change rather than no significant change. I said (one time) Chandler's impact had carried over from 2011 to 2012, and you refuse to believe that that could possibly ever be true. I haven't even touched on the 2011 to 2012 stats in about 5 posts. It's like you're clinging to it for dear life. I think I'll chalk up the rest of your posts to sheer trolling. Clearly, by way of likes, people seem to agree you've already been delivered a hefty smackdown.

So the fact that Dallas didn't fall off at all without Chandler means nothing to you. Okay.

Your ignorance is dazzling.

Quote: Originally Posted by Da_Czar

I'm not here to dance with you over something you apparently don't think is a good idea. LOL You have your opinion I offered a different viewpoint.

You didn't answer my question. Is that or is that not how intimidation by shot-blockers works?

[RyanFitzmagic]

Quote: Originally Posted by Boilerbuzz

Yes they do. Example - I attempt no steals - I get zero steals. I attempt 5 steals, get 1 one (Chandler covers up the missed 4). Net effect - +1 steal! Simple enough? Now, what do you want to call that effect?!

... that's not making you better. That's just making you more willing to gamble. If your defensive anchor wasn't there, you could still get the 1 in 5 steals, because YOU'RE THE EXACT SAME PLAYER.

Quote: Originally Posted by Boilerbuzz

Another poster said - Chandler allows him to pressure the ball more leading to tougher passes and more contested shots at the risk of the drive that Chandler covers up. What do you want to call that effect?

A change in TENDENCIES, not ABILITY.