NBA 2K13 - All 31 Signature Skills Revealed

[Boilerbuzz]

Quote: Originally Posted by JasonMartin

Funny how the 2 dallas guys help each other out. Give me a break, you weren't even talking about the skills anymore. It was about who is the better player/defender/who was better for the team.

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I'm a Dallas guy? Really?

[RyanFitzmagic]

Quote: Originally Posted by djwax90

Don't tell Bill Russell or any basketball analyst this or they might vomit.

You're the one saying that a player can affect a team's defense without even being there. That's ludicrous.

Quote: Originally Posted by djwax90

Right, so now you're implying that Avery Johnson is a better defensive coach than Rick Carlisle?

It doesn't matter who's better than who. The point is that Chandler is not as important to his team defensively as people think.

[Conda]

Quote: Originally Posted by RyanFitzmagic

I'd have to watch a bunch of games, cut clips, and upload them. If it comes that, I'll do it.

opc orn:

[djwax90]

Quote: Originally Posted by JasonMartin

Give me a break, you weren't even talking about the skills anymore. It was about who is the better player/defender/who was better for the team.

The core of the argument was whether or not a player can be a defensive anchor in a way that makes his teammates better defensively, as well, which is what the Anchor perk does. Chandler is simply one of the best (if not THE best) modern example to justify how it is absolutely possible to make your teammates better defensively while you're on the court with them.

[Thunder Storm]

Jeremy Lin has skill multiplier that can make his steals go up to 90 when its triggered, that is something to be worried about.

Great defensive players like Chandler or KG having large effects on defense is to be expected.

[francium34]

Quote: Originally Posted by J_Posse

Dude, these are just what these guys specialize in. It doesn't mean that they're the best at dunking, blocking or dribbling. Jordan isn't the greatest at every aspect of basketball, so why are you using him when comparing these players and they're individual skill?

my bad, i basically jumbled two arguments together.
1 was that these players shouldn't have those skills. Kemba shot 36.6% last year, he shouldn't be getting any FG bump. Lin didn't play particularly impressive on ball defense. etc (this is of course only my opinion, and can be easily changed by roster edits)

2. Because 2k decided to cap SS at 5, great players suffer. Let's assume LeBron gets Lockdown, Chase block, shot creator, finisher, and playmaker. But in real life I'd argue he also throws great lop passes, probably better than Felton. Felton (Alley-Ooper) gets a bump in attributes while Lebron doesn't. I hope 2k makes the game so that Felton's passing is only OK normally, but gets bumped up when throwing lobs, but even then he should still not be as effective as LeBron.

SS is great for the same tier of guys. Role players will have more character. The elite guys won't play the same. But when you compare across tiers, 2k has to make sure the balance is still there. Also I'm a bit uneasy on how the system will detect "situations"--when SS should and should not be activated (like MP in 2k12, which had some problems recognizing situations).Which is why I'm probably getting this for PC, just in case something quirky happens, then at least the PC modding community might come up with a fix.

[Boilerbuzz]

Quote: Originally Posted by RyanFitzmagic

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OK man. You believe what you want to believe. I'll trust actual players and coaches. Find me some players and coaches that do NOT believe in the concept of a defensive anchor and then you'll get someone to think about coming to your side. There's no point in continuing this because you clearly aren't trying to hear the arguments subjectively. As one poster said - even if you don't agree with it - is it THAT much of a crime to have it in the game?

Plus now you have a like from fluent2332, so this is where I came in.

[RyanFitzmagic]

Quote: Originally Posted by Boilerbuzz

OK man. You believe what you want to believe. I'll trust actual players and coaches. Find me some players and coaches that do NOT believe in the concept of a defensive anchor and then you'll get someone to think about coming to your side. There's no point in continuing this because you clearly aren't trying to hear the arguments subjectively. As one poster said - even if you don't agree with it - is it THAT much of a crime to have it in the game? Plus now you have a like from fluent2332, so this is where I came in.

Once again, no one said defensive anchors don't exist. But players don't magically become better because of them. Defensive anchors cover up mistakes, they don't decrease them.