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[Boilerbuzz]

Quote: Originally Posted by RyanFitzmagic

I already proved that Dallas was better with Dampier than Chandler, and that they didn't fall off at all when Chandler left after 2011.

You went ALL the way back to 2007! Where Avery Johnson slowed down their pace! Completely different style of play. No comparison. Not to mention they played a different defense completely.

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It has everything to do with this, because coaches have more impact on defenders improving than defensive anchors do.

No one denies that! You're trying to say that players make NO impact and that's what's being argued. Not that they are more or less important than the coach and system.

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I already proved that Dallas was better with Dampier than Chandler, and that they didn't fall off at all when Chandler left after 2011.

First, they DID get better with Chandler. Went from 15th to 10th in the league, giving up fewer points, blocking more shots and getting more steals! But the PLAYOFFS is where it mattered most where they were MUCH better than they ever were in the past. They shut down LaDouche and Miami in the finals! After he left, they were NOWHERE NEAR as good. Considering last year was a shortened season - where offenses weren't as efficient as a whole because of no preseason and fewer practices, I can see why the stats wouldn't show much of a difference.

Any more stats you want to throw out there? Go ahead. The bottom line is that you'll have a hard time finding a player OR COACH that doesn't believe in the principle of a defensive anchor. You think VC made this crap up for game reasons? Come on, dude.

[Rdub33]

Quote: Originally Posted by RyanFitzmagic

There was nothing logical or fundamental about that at all.

Oh but it was... If the logic is beyond your scope there is not much myself or da czar can do to bring it home for you.

[JasonMartin]

CONCERNING THE OFF TOPIC CHANDLER/DALLAS/KNICKS DISCUSSION, CAN YOU GUYS PLEASE SHUT UP AND PM EACH OTHER


Talk about being obnoxious...

Quote: Originally Posted by Rdub33

The attributes get percentage upgrades so if Lin has a 75 steal rating and gets a 20% boost then that means he will have a 90 steal rating while that SS is activated. Whereas if mj has an 85 the same boost would make him a 100 (99) so the levels are written into the attributes. Feel me?

Kinda ridiculous no? That boost % is too high. We just have to wait and see.

[DatGD12guage]

Quote: Originally Posted by Norris_Cole

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS2aT9k1M0g Defensive anchor?

He appeared to be worthy of It in the playoffs.

[RyanFitzmagic]

Quote: Originally Posted by Boilerbuzz

You went ALL the way back to 2007! Where Avery Johnson slowed down their pace! Completely different style of play. No comparison. Not to mention they played a different defense completely.

It doesn't matter. Erick Dampier still held down the paint like Chandler did, since it's his job as a center. If Chandler was so good at making his teammates better, there's no way a team with Dampier as its anchor should be nearly as good.

Quote: Originally Posted by Boilerbuzz

No one denies that! You're trying to say that players make NO impact and that's what's being argued. Not that they are more or less important than the coach and system.

I'm saying that players don't make defenders around them better. Because they don't. Coaches do. Players cover up other players' mistakes.

Quote: Originally Posted by Boilerbuzz

First, they DID get better with Chandler. Went from 15th to 10th in the league, giving up fewer points, blocking more shots and getting more steals! But the PLAYOFFS is where it mattered most where they were MUCH better than they ever were in the past. They shut down LaDouche and Miami in the finals! After he left, they were NOWHERE NEAR as good. Considering last year was a shortened season - where offenses weren't as efficient as a whole because of no preseason and fewer practices, I can see why the stats wouldn't show much of a difference.

Good thing they were still ranked 8th overall in 2012, just like in 2011.

You have no case. 8th in 2011 with Chandler, 8th in 2012 without him.

Case rested.

[djwax90]

Quote: Originally Posted by RyanFitzmagic

You have no case. I already proved that the Mavericks performed just as well defensively without Chandler as they did with him.

You have proved literally nothing so far. Not a single person has agreed with you yet.

Quote: Originally Posted by Boilerbuzz

There is FAR too much that goes into this, so you can't just look at 1 metric and draw some over-arching conclusion. Did they get better with Chandler? Yes.

Spot on.

Quote: Originally Posted by Conda

@RyanFitzmagic Tyson Chandler makes his teammates better on defense in real life because he is very vocal. Watch the Knicks games and you will see he is constantly talking and directing players on where to be, what's happening, and what to do on defense. He's like a defensive coordinator out there. Just like a floor general on offense setting up the offense for the best scoring opportunity.

Exactly what he did with the Mavs.

Quote: Originally Posted by RyanFitzmagic

I already proved that Dallas was better with Dampier than Chandler, and that they didn't fall off at all when Chandler left after 2011. I already proved that Dallas was better with Dampier than Chandler, and that they didn't fall off at all when Chandler left after 2011.

Quote: Originally Posted by RyanFitzmagic

That's why I said to just look at Defensive Efficiency, which completely encompasses team defense. THEY WERE BETTER WITH DAMPIER THAN CHANDLER. ERICK. DAMPIER.

Holy **** this is ignorant. You just managed to top yourself.

1. The defense didn't fall off in 2012 because Chandler had already instilled the defensive mindset and changed the culture. That isn't something that disappears when he leaves.

2. You just compared the 2007 Mavericks with the 2011 Mavericks without noting that those two teams only had THREE players in common. Not only did you try to do that (and fail, miserably) but you implied that the reason the Mavericks were better defensively in 2007 than in 2011 was solely because they had Dampier and not Chandler.

Are you kidding me? Is this a joke? Do you know what logic is? Like I said before, not a single person has agreed with you thus far, and no, you haven't proven anything. I've disproven you on every single front.

Go back to basketball-reference and read up, you could use it.

[Boilerbuzz]

Quote: Originally Posted by RyanFitzmagic

That's why I said to just look at Defensive Efficiency, which completely encompasses team defense. THEY WERE BETTER WITH DAMPIER THAN CHANDLER. ERICK. DAMPIER.

Oh. That's it. Let's just look at the stat that supports your case and that stat only. Forget the conditions of the league and everything else that plays into certain stats. We'll just look at the one stat that measure a league wide trend instead of relative performance of players on the court.

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I understand basketball. I also understand that shot-blockers deter slashers because they don't want their shot to get blocked, not because they'll lose the ability to shoot if they get their shot blocked.

If you're not focused 100% on your shot, the chances of it going in go down. What do you want to call that? Because NOW, you into to semantics.

[francium34]

Quote: Originally Posted by Rdub33

The attributes get percentage upgrades so if Lin has a 75 steal rating and gets a 20% boost then that means he will have a 90 steal rating while that SS is activated. Whereas if mj has an 85 the same boost would make him a 100 (99) so the levels are written into the attributes. Feel me?

Thing is, MJ doesn't have "pick-pocket" because of the 5 SS limit.
Which means when activated (75+15>85) Lin would have higher ratings than MJ for on-ball steals.

Meaning that less stellar players get artificial bumps for "play style", at the expense of stars.
I am by no means a LeBron fan (bulls fan actually), but if Rose qualifies for those 5 SS, lebron should have a few more on top of those, instead of losing a few due to his other abilities.