More NBA 2K13 Player Ratings Revealed - Pippen, Love, Davis, Ellis, Waiters and Iggy

[rangerrick012]

Quote: Originally Posted by DukeC

Sorry rick...but he shot the 3 like he was an 87-88 3pt shooter.

You dint know if that's bc teams left him open bc they don't think of him as a 3pt threat tho. The problem w 2k12 was contested shots going in too much, and guys like Dahntay Jones being rated as 3pt specialists. You put AI at 89 using 2ks scale and he'd be nearly unstoppable our three, which he is not.

To me 89/90 range should only be guys like Dirk who may not have high pct bc they take more, but can still kill you out there if hot. I wouldn't put Andre in that category, since it could be a 1 yr fluke due to him taking less 3s.

Edit: I see illosophy already mentioned the contested shot factor, good looks lol

[DukeC]

Quote: Originally Posted by rangerrick012

You dint know if that's bc teams left him open bc they don't think of him as a 3pt threat tho. The problem w 2k12 was contested shots going in too much, and guys like Dahntay Jones being rated as 3pt specialists. You put AI at 89 using 2ks scale and he'd be nearly unstoppable our three, which he is not. To me 89/90 range should only be guys like Dirk who may not have high pct bc they take more, but can still kill you out there if hot. I wouldn't put Andre in that category, since it could be a 1 yr fluke due to him taking less 3s. Edit: I see illosophy already mentioned the contested shot factor, good looks lol

I don't know. What about guys like Morrow and Kyle Korver who live coming off screens? I'm not saying I disagree, just want your opinion.

[Colts18]

I believe reputation should be factored into ratings. Iggy shot a nice % from 3 last year. But he still isn't known as a shooter. Until year after year he shows that he can perform on that level, he shouldn't be rated the same way pure shooters are rated from deep.

85+ is for shooters. Iggy is not that. His reputation has to knock down that "earned" rating by a few points.

[VDusen04]

Quote: Originally Posted by Colts18

I believe reputation should be factored into ratings. Iggy shot a nice % from 3 last year. But he still isn't known as a shooter. Until year after year he shows that he can perform on that level, he shouldn't be rated the same way pure shooters are rated from deep. 85+ is for shooters. Iggy is not that. His reputation has to knock down that "earned" rating by a few points.

I'm not sure how I feel about that one. I'm not saying I disagree, but I'm not sure if I agree either. My initial thought is, if a player has a great shooting year, it should be reflected in that rating, reputation or not. For instance, Richard Hamilton shot about 30% from the arc between '03 and '05. He then worked on that shot and led the league in three point percentage in '06. I don't feel his previous shortcoming should reflect how good of a shooter he'd become.

[Colts18]

So if Kyle Korver shoots 30% for one year, he should be rated the same as someone that routinely shoots around the 30% mark? Everything he has done in the past shouldn't be considered?

[TheBrooklynBaller]

I'm a die hard Bulls fan... For you guys saying Pippen doesn't deserve a 92 rating you must be out of your mind. Pippen was hands down the best man to man defender on the team and Jordan will admit to that because the majority of his steals came from intercepting passes in the lanes. Pippen guarded the best player on the other team night in and night out. He guarded Magic in the first finals they won... You guys who doubt Pippen tell me who else could have guarded Magic?? He don't put up scoring numbers because he was the facilitator in the triangle offense... With Jordan and most of the PG's sitting on the outside to shoot threes all day as the teams always had a heavy influence of shooters like Paxson, Hodges, Armstrong and Tucker. Pippen almost lead the Bulls back to a Finals appearance in Jordan's absence of it wasn't for that phantom call on Hubert Davis, we might be talking about Pippen having 7 rings. Is he the greatest?? No... But he was one of the greatest all around players in NBA history just for the fact that he changed the game with defense and being a point forward. If you didn't witness it first hand then you really don't value what type of player Pippen was, he was part of one of the greatest duos in history with Jordan. Pippen is one of those guys who's career numbers shouldn't be reflective of what he was... A top 50 player of all time for what he contributed to those 6 Chicago Bulls championships.

[eko718]

Quote: Originally Posted by Nokstar

He was going against those players playing alongside the greatest player of all time..he DID NOT have the scoring load and pressure on him

I don't understand your point here. It seems that "scoring" is the focal point of your argument. riddle me this;

In his 14 year career, Magic Johnson averaged over 20 points only 4 times. The highest of those seasons he averaged 24 ppg. In fact, with the exception of assists, Magics numbers were very similar to Pippen's numbers. Magic Johnson also played with the NBA's all time leading scorer Kareem Abdul Jabbar, who by many is considered the greatest center of all-time.

By your logic, it would appear that because Magic didn't have the "scoring load and pressure on him" in that he played with the greatest center of all time and a Hall of Fame small forward in James Worthy, that this somehow diminishes his greatness as a player. Is that what you are suggesting?

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..lebron has had this load his entire career minus two years...there is NO comparison. Playing alongside the greatest player of all time >>>>>>>>>>>leading a team that had the worst record in the league after he left to multiple playoffs and finals as the leading scorer and facilitator.

How did Lebron get into the conversation and what is the relevance of Lebron vs. Pippen? First of all, the guy will likely be rated 98 overall, so I don't see the connection. Secondly, numbers are meaningless if you don't win.

Lebron is my guy because he's on my team, but how can you venture to diminish Pippen's accomplishments because he played with Jordan without diminishing Lebron's for playing with Wade and Bosh? Please tell me what it was exactly Lebron accomplished before coming to the Heat? Sure he led the Cavs to the Finals...and got swept. Sure he led them to the playoffs, so did Pippen 2 consecutive seasons during Jordan's retirement.

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And yes. I grew up watching pippen and Jordan's ENTIRE career...I am 30 years old.

I'm sure you did. But what you are saying suggests you really didn't pay attention. Lest you forget, Jordan accomplished little more than scoring titles in the league before Pippen came to the Bulls. Jordan has Pippen to thank for those rings, the same way Shaq has Kobe to thank, Isaiah Thomas has the bad boys to thank, Magic Johnson has Kareem and Worthy to thank and the list goes on.

[Nokstar]

Quote: Originally Posted by eko718

I don't understand your point here. It seems that "scoring" is the focal point of your argument. riddle me this; In his 14 year career, Magic Johnson averaged over 20 points only 4 times. The highest of those seasons he averaged 24 ppg. In fact, with the exception of assists, Magics numbers were very similar to Pippen's numbers. Magic Johnson also played with the NBA's all time leading scorer Kareem Abdul Jabbar, who by many is considered the greatest center of all-time. By your logic, it would appear that because Magic didn't have the "scoring load and pressure on him" in that he played with the greatest center of all time and a Hall of Fame small forward in James Worthy, that this somehow diminishes his greatness as a player. Is that what you are suggesting? How did Lebron get into the conversation and what is the relevance of Lebron vs. Pippen? First of all, the guy will likely be rated 98 overall, so I don't see the connection. Secondly, numbers are meaningless if you don't win. Lebron is my guy because he's on my team, but how can you venture to diminish Pippen's accomplishments because he played with Jordan without diminishing Lebron's for playing with Wade and Bosh? Please tell me what it was exactly Lebron accomplished before coming to the Heat? Sure he led the Cavs to the Finals...and got swept. Sure he led them to the playoffs, so did Pippen 2 consecutive seasons during Jordan's retirement. I'm sure you did. But what you are saying suggests you really didn't pay attention. Lest you forget, Jordan accomplished little more than scoring titles in the league before Pippen came to the Bulls. Jordan has Pippen to thank for those rings, the same way Shaq has Kobe to thank, Isaiah Thomas has the bad boys to thank, Magic Johnson has Kareem and Worthy to thank and the list goes on.

I appreciate pippens ability...but I don't think he's a 92.

If pippen is a 92...magic is 97 at least...lebron is magic on steroids.

All I'm saying is if you give pippen a 92..that leaves a bunch of players basically with the same rating that shouldn't be. There's too many players better than pippen for him to be a 92...that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Seems to me you guys want to make his defense all the reason why he is a 92. I bring up points because lebron does what he does better (besides on ball defense) and scores more with the entire focus of the opposing team on him for most of his career...I refuse to believe pippen is only 6 or less points worse than lebron assuming he is a 98 in this game...he's definitely not a 99.



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