More NBA 2K13 Player Ratings Revealed - Pippen, Love, Davis, Ellis, Waiters and Iggy

[UnbelievablyRAW]

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[eko718]

Quote: Originally Posted by Nokstar

Current players arent rated in their prime...i feek like old players should be rated on their career average...otherwise you got two different rating scales for players playing in the same game. Pippen played for like what..8 more years after that prime (just guessing)...i remember his points going down every year after that along with other stats.. thats a long time. Sent from my Verizon Galaxy S3

I edited my response to say "season of representation" rather than "prime". I don't know what Bulls teams are in 2K13, so I gather that the 92 rating might be based on the Olympic version of himself, which was the 91-92 season Scottie Pippen.

As I stated, that year his averages were 21 points, 7.7 rebounds, 7.0 assists, 1.9 steals and 1.1 blocks. Name any player in the league who puts up those type numbers who is under 90 overall.

Current players are rated according to their most recent season. Old school players should be rated according to the season represented, not career stats, which quite obviously are misleading. You would propose to include Pippen's rookie season where he was not yet developed, along with his last 6 seasons where his role was significantly different? The man played 17 seasons. It is the prime of a players career that defines them, and feel free to do the math on Pippen's ten years with the Bulls after his rookie year.

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Pippen didnt take over games on a normal basis or anything..he was just a great complimenting player..a start sure...but a 92?

Ratings are based on player skill. Tendencies determine how many shots a guy takes. There is no "take over player" attribute that would impact an overall rating. On-the-ball defense, stealing, blocking, offensive awareness, rebounding, ball-handling, passing and scoring ability however, are factors that influence ratings. And if you understand the ratings system and the type player Scottie Pippen was, it would be hard to keep the guy UNDER 90 with numbers like 21 points, 7.7 rebounds, 7.0 assists, 1.9 steals and 1.1 blocks.

Furthermore, when you say a guy who was the teammate of Michael Jordan didn't "take over games on a normal basis" well, take a wild guess why that was the case.

When Jordan retired, Pippen carried the Bulls on his back and still took them deep into the playoffs. Go get some tape on the man.

[Nokstar]

Quote: Originally Posted by 8KB24

Those numbers are practically the same as LBJ's and LBJ is 99. You must be crazy thinking he is not worth 92.

Dude...youre comparing his prime ...one season stats to lebron season sharing the load with wade and bosh. Pippen is nowhere near bron in talent...bron is more than 6 points better than pippen. Lebron has carried..CARRIED..a garbage team to the playoffs for like 7-8 years (cavs)...you cant be serious.

...and those stats are not "pretty much" the same...nor the impact on his team was the same.

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[djwax90]

Quote: Originally Posted by Norris_Cole

Quick and honest question then, what does Kevin Love have over LaMarcus Aldridge to justify a probably 7 point rating difference? Is Love a better defender? A more polished offensive player? Faster? More athletic? better post player? I can only count 3pt shoot, ft and rebounding/hustle

Who says Love is 7 OVR points higher than LA? What's LA's rating for 2K13? I'd give Love maybe a 90... 89 seems fair, which is all I'm really defending... if LA makes a 100% recovery from his surgery, I'd expect him to be an 87 or so.

What, in my mind, accounts for that 2-3 point difference? Yes, Love is superior offensively with regard to his repertoire and the fact that not only does he have a 3PT game (which LA doesn't have whatsoever) but it's one of the best in the game. Love is also a much better rebounder, but I will concede that LA is a better defender. LA is a great player, but his defense and athleticism are really the only aspects he has over Love, and those advantages aren't enough to overcome Love's superiority.

PS: I'm probably a bigger fan of LA than Love, if I'm being honest.

[Nokstar]

We can agree to disagree...ive watch pippens whole career and lebrons and i just dont believe hes a 92. He was never a top 10 player in his era..if you think hes a 92 i supposed you woukd rate a olayer like karl malone a 98 or something...which would be rediculous.

You guys dont remember what pippen was to the whole league back then? Did you think he was a 92 compared to his peers in his era? I dont remember people putting him that high on the pedestal back then...i strongly believe nostalgia has overrated him.

Not to mention..lebron averages his 7-8 assist averages while playing with one of the worst supporting casts amongst the jordans/kobes/etc....whike pippen got his playing with the greatest player of all time! You cannot compare both situations like you are doing.

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[stillfeelme]

Quote: Originally Posted by Norris_Cole

Quick and honest question then, what does Kevin Love have over LaMarcus Aldridge to justify a probably 7 point rating difference? Is Love a better defender? A more polished offensive player? Faster? More athletic? better post player? I can only count 3pt shoot, ft and rebounding/hustle

I have to agree with you there. I think it comes down how 2K rates people overall which we don't know. Aldridge is not great in rebounding probably below average. I think it is clear that certain ratings are weighted more depending on the position.
The low rebounding probably hurts Aldrige from a PF position. Love was a 88 in 2K12 so not really that much of a jump. I will throw another player out there for you, Josh Smith is rated a 87 in 2K12. Josh Smith is also rated higher than Aldridge in 2K12. I say we don't know the formula they are using. As long as Love isn't posterizing people or playing out of character. I will have no problem with it.

[Norris_Cole]

Quote: Originally Posted by djwax90

Who says Love is 7 OVR points higher than LA? What's LA's rating for 2K13? I'd give Love maybe a 90... 89 seems fair, which is all I'm really defending... if LA makes a 100% recovery from his surgery, I'd expect him to be an 87 or so. What, in my mind, accounts for that 2-3 point difference? Yes, Love is superior offensively with regard to his repertoire and the fact that not only does he have a 3PT game (which LA doesn't have whatsoever) but it's one of the best in the game. Love is also a much better rebounder, but I will concede that LA is a better defender. LA is a great player, but his defense and athleticism are really the only aspects he has over Love, and those advantages aren't enough to overcome Love's superiority. PS: I'm probably a bigger fan of LA than Love, if I'm being honest.

Those are things that I've already said , 3pt shoot, ft, rebounding. But Aldridge is better at almost everything else, mid range, post game, more athletic, better defender, faster...

That's why I said that I don't understand why Love is going to be rated way higher than Aldridge. I don't care the numbers Love put, overall should go by ratings, not by ppg or rpg

And I don't know what is going to be Aldridge rating in 2k13, but I wouldn't be surprised if they don't even touch it. At least they didn't even update his player model, which is a bad thing

[Nokstar]

Lets see pippen average 21-7-7 playing with the cavs whike being THE leading scorer on his team while olaying against the likes of kobe/durant/wade/shaq/duncan/etc...lebron didnt have the greatest player of all time playing with him so he could focus on rebounds and assists....he was at the too of the entire load. He led a cavs team in points...rebounds...assists..and steals at the same time.

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