Interview with NBA Live 13 Developer Scott O'Gallagher

[bumpyface]

Yet and still we have no gameplay videos after 2 years. Sigh, pathetic

[kjjnesb]

Quote: Originally Posted by NoTiCe_O

If anything I think their trying to steal any spotlight or hope that Live can obtain. By doing the two above actions you just mentioned. Mike Wang's twitter is very inactive, but when there speculation of Live having a physics engine came about, "all of a sudden" he tweets about a breakthrough in their physics engine. And Kotaku wrote an article about Lives passing, then 4 days later Kotaku posts another article talking about 2k and Rob Jones mentioning how they've done so much to passing and he's gonna fight back. If your he's confident in the game just say the fans have nothing to worry about and kill it. But its like their had to be emphasis and a comeback. I feel that if Live announced tomorrow that they've really went all out for the playbooks this year and overhauled them, 2k would come in and mention how playbooks have really been big for them this year, and they've done a great job.

More like everyone thought passing and physics/contact in 2K12 was awful so when EA pointed out that weakness 2K then gave us a slight nod that it was being worked on. If they hadn't people would be speculating it was staying the same.

That said both games are competing for our virtual bball affection so of course there will be a game of one-upmanship it business.

[JODYE]

As always, I hold out optimism to see a good game, but you can't let hopes cloud your reality.

I grew up on Live and refused to play 2k until around 2006-07 when Live started going down the tubes. This generation of Live has been absolute trash. Aside from 2010, there wasn't one Live game that I bought that I felt that was even worth 1/10th of what I paid for it. (I never bought it new FYI). I don't even give EA credit for Live 10 either. That was Mike Wang's game and MW's team.

The most concerning part to me, was that there was so much positive feedback from Live 10, and it was absolutely ignored, to scrap for a bunch of guys who developed hockey games and their genius ideas. It's like they scrapped it just to scrap it so they can say it's an ALL NEW GAME so people can shell out 60 bucks for more trash. Yet, the fact that people continue to support and be apologetic for a brand that obviously doesn't care about anything else but making money off of you, is absolutely baffling to me.

They did the same thing to us when they moved to this generation. Live 2005 was still one of the funnest basketball games I ever played. Hell even Live 06 on PS2 was enjoyable, aside from the cheesy "roles" that they gave star players.

Then what happened? They went for all flash with no substance and the trend continued ever year. Lacking franchise modes, horrible CAP feature and terrible animations, player physics and models etc, which was a strong point in the previous generation.

Live 10 comes along. Totally revamped. Passing and dribbling controls done brilliantly. Presentation was incredible. And online was PLAYABLE. Obviously it still had it's flaws and quirky animations etc. but it was an incredible step in the right direction and a breath of fresh air that seemed Live got back on track and had a great buzz going around the community and gave us a competition again. Which in turn caused 2k to produce 2k11 which was a classic.

Blame it on the departure of MW, or blame it on EA, it doesn't matter. The concerning aspect to me, and should be to anyone defending this game or EA, is that EA as a whole, as a video game developer, couldn't even recognize that they had an incredible base to build from, and instead chose to completely trash it and start anew AGAIN, with some guys who make hockey games, for really no other good reason, other than to create some hype to sell a few more games. Which worked out really great I might add.

You can come in here and say 2k is stale, or 2k doesn't improve but you'd be dead wrong. Just because they don't totally revamp gameplay or player animations every year doesn't mean they aren't improving. 2k just did it the smart way. They found a formula that worked for the brand of basketball they wanted to produce, and improved upon it every year. The same way the team at San Diego does it for the Show. There is a reason both of those games continue to receive high marks year in and year out.

We've seen this schtick from EA, MANY times over and it appears people continue to fall for it. People need to learn to take a step back and view things objectively and stop living in the past.

So again, will I remain optimistic? Of course. As a fan of basketball and someone that grew up on Live, I definitely will. Do I have any faith in EA whatsoever to produce a playable basketball game? Absolutely not. At this point it is guilty until proven innocent, and after damn near 7 years of failures, that's how it should be. Don't give them the benefit of the doubt. They don't deserve it.

[jsg]

Quote: Originally Posted by noshun

LOL, NBA Live has had 3 games bomb in since Live 07: Live 07 = bomb Live 08 = meh Live 09 = meh Live 10 = better Elite 11 = cancelled by Hard8times Elite 12/Live 12 = never released = bomb People are expecting this new Live to be something special when the past track record has been craptastic. Every year people fall for this EA hype of we have guys that know basketball rhetoric. People forget Jeff Antwi from Live 09/10, played ball too. No discredit to Jeff either. Just tired of all the "we got guys that know ball," and then your game falls flat on its face at release. http://www.ea.com/nba-live-09/videos...00ab65140aRCRD I forgot who besides Mike W. played ball on Live 10, but then they let a hockey guy run a basketball franchise..

This is what I don't understand. It baffles me that people think this way. I want to see some game play. That's all I care about at this point.

[King_B_Mack]

Quote: Originally Posted by 13.

As always, I hold out optimism to see a good game, but you can't let hopes cloud your reality. I grew up on Live and refused to play 2k until around 2006-07 when Live started going down the tubes. This generation of Live has been absolute trash. Aside from 2010, there wasn't one Live game that I bought that I felt that was even worth 1/10th of what I paid for it. (I never bought it new FYI). I don't even give EA credit for Live 10 either. That was Mike Wang's game and MW's team. The most concerning part to me, was that there was so much positive feedback from Live 10, and it was absolutely ignored, to scrap for a bunch of guys who developed hockey games and their genius ideas. It's like they scrapped it just to scrap it so they can say it's an ALL NEW GAME so people can shell out 60 bucks for more trash. Yet, the fact that people continue to support and be apologetic for a brand that obviously doesn't care about anything else but making money off of you, is absolutely baffling to me. They did the same thing to us when they moved to this generation. Live 2005 was still one of the funnest basketball games I ever played. Hell even Live 06 on PS2 was enjoyable, aside from the cheesy "roles" that they gave star players. Then what happened? They went for all flash with no substance and the trend continued ever year. Lacking franchise modes, horrible CAP feature and terrible animations, player physics and models etc, which was a strong point in the previous generation. Live 10 comes along. Totally revamped. Passing and dribbling controls done brilliantly. Presentation was incredible. And online was PLAYABLE. Obviously it still had it's flaws and quirky animations etc. but it was an incredible step in the right direction and a breath of fresh air that seemed Live got back on track and had a great buzz going around the community and gave us a competition again. Which in turn caused 2k to produce 2k11 which was a classic. Blame it on the departure of MW, or blame it on EA, it doesn't matter. The concerning aspect to me, and should be to anyone defending this game or EA, is that EA as a whole, as a video game developer, couldn't even recognize that they had an incredible base to build from, and instead chose to completely trash it and start anew AGAIN, with some guys who make hockey games, for really no other good reason, other than to create some hype to sell a few more games. Which worked out really great I might add. You can come in here and say 2k is stale, or 2k doesn't improve but you'd be dead wrong. Just because they don't totally revamp gameplay or player animations every year doesn't mean they aren't improving. 2k just did it the smart way. They found a formula that worked for the brand of basketball they wanted to produce, and improved upon it every year. The same way the team at San Diego does it for the Show. There is a reason both of those games continue to receive high marks year in and year out. We've seen this schtick from EA, MANY times over and it appears people continue to fall for it. People need to learn to take a step back and view things objectively and stop living in the past. So again, will I remain optimistic? Of course. As a fan of basketball and someone that grew up on Live, I definitely will. Do I have any faith in EA whatsoever to produce a playable basketball game? Absolutely not. At this point it is guilty until proven innocent, and after damn near 7 years of failures, that's how it should be. Don't give them the benefit of the doubt. They don't deserve it.

Wow, that's a great post man. You nailed it. Completely.

[kjjnesb]

Quote: Originally Posted by 13.

As always, I hold out optimism to see a good game, but you can't let hopes cloud your reality. I grew up on Live and refused to play 2k until around 2006-07 when Live started going down the tubes. This generation of Live has been absolute trash. Aside from 2010, there wasn't one Live game that I bought that I felt that was even worth 1/10th of what I paid for it. (I never bought it new FYI). I don't even give EA credit for Live 10 either. That was Mike Wang's game and MW's team. The most concerning part to me, was that there was so much positive feedback from Live 10, and it was absolutely ignored, to scrap for a bunch of guys who developed hockey games and their genius ideas. It's like they scrapped it just to scrap it so they can say it's an ALL NEW GAME so people can shell out 60 bucks for more trash. Yet, the fact that people continue to support and be apologetic for a brand that obviously doesn't care about anything else but making money off of you, is absolutely baffling to me. They did the same thing to us when they moved to this generation. Live 2005 was still one of the funnest basketball games I ever played. Hell even Live 06 on PS2 was enjoyable, aside from the cheesy "roles" that they gave star players. Then what happened? They went for all flash with no substance and the trend continued ever year. Lacking franchise modes, horrible CAP feature and terrible animations, player physics and models etc, which was a strong point in the previous generation. Live 10 comes along. Totally revamped. Passing and dribbling controls done brilliantly. Presentation was incredible. And online was PLAYABLE. Obviously it still had it's flaws and quirky animations etc. but it was an incredible step in the right direction and a breath of fresh air that seemed Live got back on track and had a great buzz going around the community and gave us a competition again. Which in turn caused 2k to produce 2k11 which was a classic. Blame it on the departure of MW, or blame it on EA, it doesn't matter. The concerning aspect to me, and should be to anyone defending this game or EA, is that EA as a whole, as a video game developer, couldn't even recognize that they had an incredible base to build from, and instead chose to completely trash it and start anew AGAIN, with some guys who make hockey games, for really no other good reason, other than to create some hype to sell a few more games. Which worked out really great I might add. You can come in here and say 2k is stale, or 2k doesn't improve but you'd be dead wrong. Just because they don't totally revamp gameplay or player animations every year doesn't mean they aren't improving. 2k just did it the smart way. They found a formula that worked for the brand of basketball they wanted to produce, and improved upon it every year. The same way the team at San Diego does it for the Show. There is a reason both of those games continue to receive high marks year in and year out. We've seen this schtick from EA, MANY times over and it appears people continue to fall for it. People need to learn to take a step back and view things objectively and stop living in the past. So again, will I remain optimistic? Of course. As a fan of basketball and someone that grew up on Live, I definitely will. Do I have any faith in EA whatsoever to produce a playable basketball game? Absolutely not. At this point it is guilty until proven innocent, and after damn near 7 years of failures, that's how it should be. Don't give them the benefit of the doubt. They don't deserve it.

Well said Live 10 was great and they didn't bother to build on that.And before the enormous backlash they were prepared to launch Elite so there clearly has been a lack of self awareness and a def perception problem when it comes to this series on EA's part.

[DBMcGee3]

Quote: Originally Posted by 13.

As always, I hold out optimism to see a good game, but you can't let hopes cloud your reality. I grew up on Live and refused to play 2k until around 2006-07 when Live started going down the tubes. This generation of Live has been absolute trash. Aside from 2010, there wasn't one Live game that I bought that I felt that was even worth 1/10th of what I paid for it. (I never bought it new FYI). I don't even give EA credit for Live 10 either. That was Mike Wang's game and MW's team. The most concerning part to me, was that there was so much positive feedback from Live 10, and it was absolutely ignored, to scrap for a bunch of guys who developed hockey games and their genius ideas. It's like they scrapped it just to scrap it so they can say it's an ALL NEW GAME so people can shell out 60 bucks for more trash. Yet, the fact that people continue to support and be apologetic for a brand that obviously doesn't care about anything else but making money off of you, is absolutely baffling to me. They did the same thing to us when they moved to this generation. Live 2005 was still one of the funnest basketball games I ever played. Hell even Live 06 on PS2 was enjoyable, aside from the cheesy "roles" that they gave star players. Then what happened? They went for all flash with no substance and the trend continued ever year. Lacking franchise modes, horrible CAP feature and terrible animations, player physics and models etc, which was a strong point in the previous generation. Live 10 comes along. Totally revamped. Passing and dribbling controls done brilliantly. Presentation was incredible. And online was PLAYABLE. Obviously it still had it's flaws and quirky animations etc. but it was an incredible step in the right direction and a breath of fresh air that seemed Live got back on track and had a great buzz going around the community and gave us a competition again. Which in turn caused 2k to produce 2k11 which was a classic. Blame it on the departure of MW, or blame it on EA, it doesn't matter. The concerning aspect to me, and should be to anyone defending this game or EA, is that EA as a whole, as a video game developer, couldn't even recognize that they had an incredible base to build from, and instead chose to completely trash it and start anew AGAIN, with some guys who make hockey games, for really no other good reason, other than to create some hype to sell a few more games. Which worked out really great I might add. You can come in here and say 2k is stale, or 2k doesn't improve but you'd be dead wrong. Just because they don't totally revamp gameplay or player animations every year doesn't mean they aren't improving. 2k just did it the smart way. They found a formula that worked for the brand of basketball they wanted to produce, and improved upon it every year. The same way the team at San Diego does it for the Show. There is a reason both of those games continue to receive high marks year in and year out. We've seen this schtick from EA, MANY times over and it appears people continue to fall for it. People need to learn to take a step back and view things objectively and stop living in the past. So again, will I remain optimistic? Of course. As a fan of basketball and someone that grew up on Live, I definitely will. Do I have any faith in EA whatsoever to produce a playable basketball game? Absolutely not. At this point it is guilty until proven innocent, and after damn near 7 years of failures, that's how it should be. Don't give them the benefit of the doubt. They don't deserve it.

Couldn't agree more about Live. When you think about the time it must have taken to even attempt to start from scratch with Elite 11, you have to think that Live 11 could've been a pretty solid outing had the devs spent all those months merely improving upon their base. I'm not saying it would have been better than 2k11, because honestly that game was incredible AND they had Jordan. I do feel, however, that EA could have used Live 11 as a legitimate stepping stone to a much more competitive product. All they really desperately needed was more authentic player motions (sig style) and an upgrade on the graphics. Obviously those are two HUGE aspects, and I'm sure if it was an easy problem to fix, they would have done it. Easy for me to sit on my couch and complain.

I can agree to a certain extent about 2k and their yearly improvements, but to me the changes from 2k11 to 2k12 were so subtle that it really bothered me to pay the full $60. I even felt it regressed in some ways, mainly that the isomotion went from bad to worse, and that is such a major part of the game that it really derailed the experience for me. I'm very curious to see what changes Mike Wang has made to the isomotion he supposedly "has always hated", despite hyping it up year after year in the months leading up to the game. If he can fix that and make the player speed actually matter, I would almost certainly buy 2k13. Based on that gameplay vid they showed awhile back, it doesn't look to me like they addressed either of those things unfortunately. Still months to go, so we'll see. We should all be happy, monopolies are no good for the consumer.

[CRMosier_LM]

Quote: Originally Posted by noshun

This is probably the most assinine thing ive ever read on these forums to date. Sounds like something 22ced or gatorbait would type. Not to knock them in any manner, its just the similar to the way they type. Youre saying all live 13 needs is good online and fundamentals for it to be a win, while 2k has to go back to the drawing board for next gen? Did I just read that? Elites on court execution was on par with NBA Unrivaled. Live 13 is recycled bits from past Live's with a few mods and anything new they might add, whats there to steal? I can understand being optimistic, but so far this game is so unproven, and what has been said thus far hasnt been flattering. what happens if Live 13 doesnt sell well, will they scrap and start over yet again?

For it to be a win as in a successful.start.... Yes. It's a brand new.team that is still being assembled and working on code that is not their own. Any of you expecting them to come out and compete with 2k in all aspects of the game are sorely mistaken.

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