EA Sports Sim Community Demand Quick Fix - Madden NFL 13 DE Pass Rush

[GiantBlue76]

Quote: Originally Posted by ch46647

If we could manually make this trigger every time we select the "pass" pre-play option I would be a happy camper.

It's not that simple though, because what really needs to happen is that they need to make the particular pass rusher a factor in how well this plays out. I don't want some scrub defensive end with good speed being able to wreak havoc the same way Jason Pierre-Paul can. However, the common ground is the technique used and how the lineman engage with the tackle.

[LBzrule]

Quote: Originally Posted by ch46647

What was the modification to slide protection? What are the benefits? Thanks!

It is more of a man zone style adjustment you can call now. The back side Tackle will block man to man. This way nobody can slip into the back side untouched. This makes it easy to shore up that B gap with the HB stepping up to block. Also if you come out in a formation with a TE on the line and you slide away from the TE but keep the TE in to block you have two back side players in Man blocking with the rest of the line sliding the other way. I'm going to do some strategy videos on it down the line.

[JerzeyReign]

Quote: Originally Posted by LBzrule

It is more of a man zone style adjustment you can call now. The back side Tackle will block man to man. This way nobody can slip into the back side untouched. This makes it easy to shore up that B gap with the HB stepping up to block. Also if you come out in a formation with a TE on the line and you slide away from the TE but keep the TE in to block you have two back side players in Man blocking with the rest of the line sliding the other way. I'm going to do some strategy videos on it down the line.

The coach in me wants to tell you whats wrong with that blocking scheme but I'll wait for the videos. I have to see it to understand it at this point.

[LBzrule]

Quote: Originally Posted by JerzeyReign

The coach in me wants to tell you whats wrong with that blocking scheme but I'll wait for the videos. I have to see it to understand it at this point.

Ohhh I know there are some things wrong with it but I think it is a better option than what we had previously. Are you familiar with Charlie Stubb's Developing an Explosive Offense? It somewhat mimics one aspect of protection broken down there. I'll take that over what we had previously.

[RandyBass]

For what it's worth, here are the NFL sack leaders from last year:

2011 NFL Sack Leaders

Notice the highest total for a DT is 7.5, done by both Gino Atkins of the Bengals and Tommy Kelly of Oakland. That tied them for 33rd in the league in that category.

Let me say that again, that tied them for 33rd in the league.

In fact go back over the last five years and there's only been a handful of DTs who totaled more than that: Tommie Harris and Darnell Dockett in 2007, Albert Haynesworth and Kevin Williams in 2008, and Ndamukong Suh in 2010, with Suh being the only guy with 10 or more (he had 10).

I bring this up because it's not just the presence of an outside rush that needs some consideration, but also the results on the stat sheet. Hopefully any tweaks they make will create a better balance in terms of numbers too.

[Senator Palmer]

Quote: Originally Posted by LBzrule

Part of me wonders though is this a specific type of pass rusher that is causing this animation script with the offensive tackles. Kruger and Upshaw have pretty high power move ratings. Suggs does too, although he's not in these videos. I wonder if those LSU DE's are more power move guys? I'm not sure though because I get it with the USC DE's on occasion along with the Oregon guys as well. I need to play as KState and see. What I can say is the OLB's just based on playing with Bama, their rush angles out of 3-4 Odd result in a lot of bouncing with the offensive tackle. I

I ran with Alabama the other day just to get a look at the edge rush of the backers in passing situations. Every passing down I got into a Nickel 2-4-5, pass commit, base rush. The pressure was virtually non-existent. I can remember one play where I saw the OLB engage and work up field. Now I don't know if that's due to there being no Courtney Upshaw on the field or if there is something going on with the 3-4, because as I've always noticed, the pass commit, which relies on jumping the snap, only seems to function with down linemen and not backers. I'm going to try again later and put the backers on the line in the Dime and see if I get anything different.

Conversely, I've been killing it with LSU and USC -- LSU especially. I generate 4-5 sacks a game.



And this whole thread had me thinking back to this one started by Ian three years ago where he was working on tweaking the pass rush before Madden 10 dropped:http://www.operationsports.com/forum...pass-rush.html

Has anyone from EA even acknowledged this as an issue since then?



As you can see in the vid, it's still wins and losses and "effectiveness" seems to be defined not by pressure per se, but by how fast the defensive linemen got free. Interesting thing I saw was how the edge rushers were more apt to look for an inside move, however. At the 30 sec mark, it looks like Suggs goes for a pretty nice swim move. I'm wondering what factor playart played in that. I do remember that Madden 10 and 11 had more defensive plays where the edge rushers had inside tracks like the old Buzz Duo play.

[GiantBlue76]

Quote: Originally Posted by RandyBass

For what it's worth, here are the NFL sack leaders from last year: 2011 NFL Sack Leaders Notice the highest total for a DT is 7.5, done by both Gino Atkins of the Bengals and Tommy Kelly of Oakland. That tied them for 33rd in the league in that category. Let me say that again, that tied them for 33rd in the league. In fact go back over the last five years and there's only been a handful of DTs who totaled more than that: Tommie Harris and Darnell Dockett in 2007, Albert Haynesworth and Kevin Williams in 2008, and Ndamukong Suh in 2010, with Suh being the only guy with 10 or more (he had 10). I bring this up because it's not just the presence of an outside rush that needs some consideration, but also the results on the stat sheet. Hopefully any tweaks they make will create a better balance in terms of numbers too.

Can't like this post enough. The one thing we could not fix in our league was the effectiveness of defensive tackles. That silly shrug off animation that DTs do to guards and centers was infuriating. We had Kevin Williams, Brandon Mebane, Casey Hampton and others getting 24 sacks a season. IT was awful. Meanwhile, DEs would get maybe 8-10. It's not just sacks, but it's how they get them. There is no battle at the line and there is simply a quick win/loss. It looks extremely dated and has clearly not been addressed properly over the last decade. If Madden could surpass the realism that APF has instilled in its lineplay and they really spent the time in getting the assignments right with realism in mind, this would go a long way in winning back my faith in this series. Realism in the trenches combined with enhancement to the physics would do SO much for this game, it's not even funny.

[LBzrule]

Senator. I'm glad you referenced that thread. That thread is the reason why I started this one. Unless there is a big community response it will go untouched and on the shelf.