Madden NFL 13 Roster Editing Issue Rears Its Ugly Head

[Big FN Deal]

Quote: Originally Posted by SoxFan01605

I see your point to an extent (in the sense that online gamers have gotten a raw deal in the past), but whose chickens, exactly? Some ignorant posters? I'm sure I could find "offline franchise is dead" type comments by people advocating online league focus. Every time someone has a gripe about AI, logic, or franchise, there's always people who will say "then stop playing the CPU...". I just don't think that proves much other than that's the nature of message boards, unfortunately...people generalize and "take sides" to make points. In any event, the point is that some single-minded gamers on either side shouldn't be central to anyone's rationale on why this is or isn't okay. I also don't dispute that online guys have gotten it worse over the years at all (THAT, is a 100% valid point). Nor am I saying you, or anyone else who isn't impacted by these limitations should care or feel sorry, etc. People care about what they care about...it's all subjective. But do you really think offline players don't know what it's like to be limited? We just got back some of the features we had for years in 12 and that STILL doesn't equate to where Madden should be or even was at one point. Point being, with Madden, no one has really "won" for quite some time. If we come together on any point, it should be that Madden has failed to strike a balance for their consumers and there shouldn't be any reason to have "sides" in the first place. CCM may indeed remedy that in the future, but IMO, where EA dropped the ball is that rather than bring everyone UP to the same standard of control and options, they simply lowered the bar. That's why I'm disappointed in 13. We'll see how it goes in the future though. BTW, I'm not coming at you or anything. Again, I see your points...I just completely disagree with your rationale that I needed to learn my lesson...lol. Let me also clarify that I'm not advocating that they should have not done CCM at all, because then we'd be in the same loop of issues (and online players would be left in the cold again, which simply shifts the problem to a different group). My point is this process of having to sacrifice from one thing in order to pay for another in this series has gotten pretty old.

Very well written post sir. However, I think we may have a slight misunderstanding. The roosting chickens was in reference to online gamers consistently espousing to EA/Tiburon and the offline gamers in the community that by not equating or combining Franchise into one mode, we all were subject to feast or famine, in any given year. I saw very few posts from strictly offline gamers that supported the idea of a unified mode with online integration and what other positive posts I did read were more along the lines of separate but equal, which isn't effective either, imo.

If the unified community and EA/Tiburon had focused on combining the modes before upgrading the offline Franchise mode last year, we likely wouldn't be in this situation where offline franchise gamers have lost some features to gain others and online franchisers have gained far more than they ever had but we all lost out on options.

Also my rationale is not just that offline gamers learn a lesson by having to be subjected to what online gamers have but that they now realize one CCM is the best thing for everybody going forward, so hopefully none of us have to go through "famine" again.

[Phobia]

What I find funny is when guys like myself have been saying for years. I am not buying Madden till they make some big innovations, fix the passing game, fix WR/DB interactions, etc etc. You would have many of the same guys talking down to you "Just enjoy the game, it is a VIDEO GAME!" and comments of that nature. Then those same people get a feature removed such as "editing equipment" and the tides have turned. Yet the "gameplay" part is more important because it is the part you play the most!

Now I am the one talking good about Madden saying they did good work this year fixing many of the gameplay elements that have always prevented me from enjoying the game. Added Physics, fixed the passing game, playaction can be aborted, no more psychic defenders, etc etc! I have always been more of a gameplay person so the on field stuff matter 10x more to me.

I do agree editing should not have been removed. I just find it funny how people pick their "extremes" of what is worthy of not purchasing.

I can zig zag all over the field.........."ehhhhh its just a game, I will enjoy it"........"Wait, I can't put sleeves on my QB???? No not purchasing game killer"

[bucky60]

I think our only hope at regaining any customization is if some of the gods at football freaks can crack the file format like they have in the past and create an editor. Is this type of thing even possible on a game console? Can we browse a website, download, install and run a program written by some third party person? Any compilers/linkers available out there for the PS3 and XBOX?

[CubFan23]

Quote: Originally Posted by Bigmac612

ARGHHHHHH!!!!! Im so sick of this "wait till next year" crap!!!

Me too! Oh wait...your talking about Madden, I thought you were referring to the Cubs.

[bucky60]

Quote: Originally Posted by Big FN Deal

now realize one CCM is the best thing for everybody going forward

Only time will tell if this is true or not. I can easily see it not ending up a true statement. Depends on the direction EA/Tib take Madden.

[Bigmac612]

Quote: Originally Posted by CubFan23

Me too! Oh wait...your talking about Madden, I thought you were referring to the Cubs.

I think we all can sympathize a little with your pain now loll

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[CRMosier_LM]

Quote: Originally Posted by jpollard25

Fair enough...you have been a staunch defender of his...which is fine I believe you may have personal insight into his character...I do not...I am just responding according to how I was treated.

No worries man, dude is getting 50/50 love/hate right now. Shouldn't really be either until people get hands on. Even the yearly Madden eHater Pastapadre is all about ccm right now without the customization options.

I'm more of a staunch defender of "act right" than I am of anything else.

I know, its a character flaw I have.

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[Pacman83]

Quote: Originally Posted by tazdevil20

LOL - Pac, you're killing me bro! lol. Let me take a step back and say that I am in no way trying to pick a fight here. Just having a discussion. I understand how you might feel that way, but truth be told, the fact that franchise mode is different is not solely because of "online". That being said, I think we can definitely agree on the fact that the taking away of things we used to have is really getting old, and we are ALL tired of it.

Never said solely because of online. That is not my problem man, my problem, like I said, was Big's stance. I quoted one of his post, #567, but also #503. That is where it became "Offline vs.Online"...
My overall point was missed along the way, but yes, we can agree on that much.