NBA Live 13 Preview

[noshun]

Quote: Originally Posted by Subversion

I saw the private presentation of Live at E3 and came away thinking "They had 2 years to develop a new idea, and all they did was borrow ANT from FIFA?" All the other assets are from Elite 11'

Do go into details...

[bigeastbumrush]

Quote: Originally Posted by Subversion

Yep same feelings here. I saw the private presentation of Live at E3 and came away thinking "They had 2 years to develop a new idea, and all they did was borrow ANT from FIFA?" All the other assets are from Elite 11'. Games aren't just a methodical calculation, there has to be creativity. Last NBA game I really played was 2K9. Been passing on these games for a while now.

Care to elaborate on what you saw?

[MatthewCzech]

Looks like it might be a football game only year for me

[Playmakers]

Quote: Originally Posted by 22cedric

They're adding tons more signature animations,celebrations etc to NBA Live 13 this year. A collision system is also being added.

hey look man don't take this the wrong way because you seem like a cool guy.

But we aren't buying anymore of EA's B.S. on here.

Most of these guys will believe it when they see it on the floor. I mentioned this before to you that all the interviews, screen shots and previews are all just HYPE.

These guys had two years off and to come on here and say the game is only 60% complete is a slap in the face to all those who have supported EA for years.

What did they do for the 1st 12 months work on their marketing/Hype Skills?

They should be finished with the product and showing us videos of live gameplay....showing us how hard they worked doing the down time.

Instead we get a preview talking about 60% complete and be forgiving to them (EA) for the gameplay not being up to speed yet.....

[thevaliantx]

Quote: Originally Posted by NoTiCe_O

That's what i figured, EA can hire the best engineers and game designers in the country if they feel the need. I figure if LIVE 13 is alright EA will do what they have to, money and technology wise, to make Live 14 a way better game. That was just an initial reaction after reading the preview though, Live 13 may have a shot on my shelf, not day one though

That's not at all what I was saying, but thanks for trying. What I DID suggest is that EA does the bare minimum to survive (and uses their marketing to do the rest of the work), and that their long, long history shows that AT BEST they will make minimum improvements on successor products, and remove things that are working ..... under the guise of "we just didn't have the space to put it all in", only to market said removed things at "NEW!!!!!" a year or two later.

[thevaliantx]

Quote: Originally Posted by gdh5503

These guys spend so much money on strategy marketing and development that they forget about gameplay, player models and AI adaptability. It has been 13 years and we still don't have a basketball sim to revolutionize the way we play basketball games. 2k to me still has another level to go and i don't think they will do it this year either. To me 2K12 was a downgrade. 2K11 was okay... Better than 2K12, but okay. I still don't see it happening this year either. I don't know what they are waiting for but they haven't wowed me. I mean think about it for a second just really sit back and think about it. Have we seen a basketball sim that has revolutionized the way we play simulation basketball? It has been over 13 years we have spent money to play these so called simulation basketball games. I am not talking about the development over the years because I give them credit in the sense that as a game in general they have come pretty far from a graphic standpoint and the things you can do as a user, the moves and stuff you can pull off, but what I am taking about is changing the way we play and the way the AI plays against us. I have not been immersed into a basketball sim yet. Not even 2K has sucked me into that "experience" that they talk about every year. Presentation, gameplay all that is okay but not spectacular the way it is hyped up. I found myself skipping through the Sprint momentum play by play by Doris Burke the halftime report I skip, and the intermissions with other teams that are playing report gets skipped. Even the intros I skipped after a month. I know this thread is about Live 13 but I just got to say it all because they are both making claims about simulation, gameplay experience, ESPN this, Sprite that, and neither Live or 2K has really showed up. Live especially, these dudes been out the game for two years and their build is below average at this point and they don't have very long to go to launch and I fear for them. look how long its been that we have played these basketball games. Just sit and think about it. What are they waiting for, Next Gen consoles? I hope not because we will be right back here again, all next gen is going to be is graphic enhancement. Its been a very long time for these basketball sims and we are still being tickled with gameplay and visuals. Just think about it as a consumer. Does anyone feel cheated but me? Just my opinion either 2K and maybe Live for that matter are holding back for something big for next year because it is not this year and I can guarantee that based on what I have seen so far and we all know they don't have a whole lot of time to scrap and build again before launch or in reality they have reached their CEILING. Both games in my opinion need an EXTREME MAKEOVER from player models not just faces, to presentation and commentary adaptability, replays and halftime reports, a real deep and immersive Dynasty mode, deep and immersive Create a player not just my player but create a player in Dynasty mode, Olympic games and teams not in a mode only but also into the deep and immersive Dynasty mode and so on. Its been 13 years?!!??

LOL.....2K isn't holding anything back for next year. You might, with wishful thinking, be THINKING that, but it's not reality. What 2K is holding back is making the game as great as it could be. Remember, for DECADES now literally NOTHING has been built (in any industry) to last for a lifetime. There simply just isn't any money in selling something at a high quality for a low price, and the industries have figured that out. The gaming industry is no different. It figured it out long ago, after the innovation phase of the 70's and 80's, that if you only add in small, incremental improvements, that you have for yourself a long revenue stream. If you make a game that is so great that folks are still playing it by the time next year rolls around (to when you would have released your next product version), then folks are not going to buy your new product. It's that simple. So, how does one overcome the OBVIOUS pattern of intentionally implementing small, incremental improvements? With GREAT MARKETING! With great marketing, you will lose the customers who have caught onto your ways, because of the last version they played, but will gain so many more customers. EA is a genius in the marketing department. They stole the show with all those Madden Football products in the 90's. Remember their fancy ads on the backs of the boxes and in the magazines? Boy, I sure do. Thankfully I was blessed with the insight to know the difference between being presented with something that is truly remarkable, and being presented with marketing speak horse manure. 2K doesn't market well, and their existing products don't stand the test of time, and that's why they're failing. EA is approaching that point in the time line where there just isn't much they can say (or recycle from the same old garbage) to continue snowing folks over. Customers, by and large, have caught onto their ways. With gaming magazines disappearing, and the Internet as we currently know it having been around, it shouldn't be a surprise to many.

[thevaliantx]

Quote: Originally Posted by mlp111

im just surprised that no dev for the game has said or responded to anything here, the other basketball forum, their dev is responding,

Well, to be honest, put yourself in the shoes of OS and you might see why dev's aren't responding here ;-)

[thevaliantx]

Quote: Originally Posted by Bulls321974

This game will seal the ultimate end of the "NBA Live" series. I'm almost 100% sure about that...

And it would surprise me little if that is their intention. Though 2K has never really been THAT good of a basketball game, was probably the kind of competition that EA does not want. EA tends to go over the little, weak guys (2K's heading that way). I feel that EA doesn't want anything to do with the game of basketball, their money seems to be tied in football, golf, tennis, hockey and others. In a way I can see why.