End of Console Generations is Not an Excuse for No Innovation

[Smoke6]

Quote: Originally Posted by rgiles36

Agreed. The gameplay needs enhancements and while innovation is welcome to the core game modes, generally speaking, innovation is not exactly what Madden has been missing. Agree with this too. That's not to suggest that people should be pleased or satisfied with the gameplay -- I'm not. But the notion that the gameplay hasn't improved at all over the past three years is, umm, ill-informed.

Let do some simple math going forward here...

This gen started 7yrs ago, we got 5yrs or so of stale to mediocre gameplay and featureless modes from them.

2 out of them 7yrs we have seen some improvement, but not enough to swing madden back into that must have game it used to be.

So tell me how does 2yrs outshine the past 5 before it this gen when we are still short or features from back in 1995 let alone Madden and 2k5?

We still are having legacy issues and for some odd reason , some data software is telling them what we do and dont do. Case in point a whole new change to the control of the pre play controls due to their software that knows all and sees all.

[TheGedden7]

Great read!

Can we get something like this but for 2k football? Maybe Comparing it to maybe and why some many people love the series and wish it would come back?

[mestevo]

Quote: Originally Posted by Smoke6

Let me help you out and you tell me if you are happy with these results... Money plays? Morphing players still? Progression and franchise issues? Glitches and bugs from past maddens? Missing features from the previous to past maddens that some affected game play? Speed has been the only stat to really matter? No D/O line interaction? No DB/WR jostling or fighting for the ball before and after a catch? DBs not capable of dropping one handing interceptions while tackled or engaged in this animation? NO PENALTIES!!! Outside of face mask, offsides, delay of game, and roughing the passer with your occasional QB throwing while past the LOS? No foot planting, players still seem to ice skate and change direction like the wind? DB's mirror the WR's routes or sometimes run them for them? Pick your poison bro, I can go on for quite a while and so can everyone else, and I am sure the bad outweighs the good and its been like this for the past 7yrs. So give me or anyone else a reason why we shouldnt feel the way we do about madden!

I defer to roadman's post about looking forward. They've continued to improve things, and I don't have crazy expectations that I am going to all but need to take an ice bath after playing a game of Madden so I am generally not disappointed with the title (aside from the multi-year franchise stagnation that ended last year). As long as that improvement continues, I'll continue to buy their products. They add something and people complain because they wanted something else. They add another thing and it somehow doesn't count because it was in a previous game (as if a simple copy and paste was all that was needed years later). They are arguments just not worth having.

Despite all of that, this is the first year I played a ton more NCAA, more than any other year, because of online dynasty. It even jumped up to my most # of days played list on 360voice: http://360voice.gamerdna.com/tag/meStevo Only recently have I started playing Madden more this time around, rather than going back and forth like I have every year since trying NCAA in 2005 and getting hooked (I don't even watch college football). I'm not even sure Madden can win me back with an equally as engaging OD because of things like roster turnover and coaching progression via the carousel and at the pro level neither of those processes are nearly as dynamic/dramatic. That's a discussion for another thread though.

I respect many of your opinions, it's just those who rail against EA just kinda of blur together into 2-3 posters, saying the same/similar things over and over, and this time of year when we have so little to go on it just gets especially loud and frustrating to even discuss things with that kind of mentality.

I apologize if I come across as an elitist pro-EA douche, in the end I guess I just have lower expectations than many, I'm not afraid to admit that.

[RGiles36]

Quote: Originally Posted by Smoke6

So tell me how does 2yrs outshine the past 5 before it this gen when we are still short or features from back in 1995 let alone Madden and 2k5?

Coincidently, Madden '95 was my very first Madden. Maybe my memory doesn't serve me correctly: what features were in M95 that we don't have (and need) in 2012?

Look man, I'm completely over the first five years of this generation. If you want to continue to harp on it and hold EA accountable, by all means, have at it. I'm of the belief that leads to more personal frustration than it does anything else, but I digress.

[bigsmallwood]

Quote: Originally Posted by rgiles36

Coincidently, Madden '95 was my very first Madden. Maybe my memory doesn't serve me correctly: what features were in M95 that we don't have (and need) in 2012? Look man, I'm completely over the first five years of this generation. If you want to continue to harp on it and hold EA accountable, by all means, have at it. I'm of the belief that leads to more personal frustration than it does anything else, but I digress.

Those of us who are moving forward will do so. I'm not against anybody who wants to speak up about Madden past or present, as long as they are not bashing. Most people are at least trying to be constructive and that is their choice. In another week we will know what Madden 13 is going to be all about.

[Smoke6]

Quote: Originally Posted by rgiles36

Coincidently, Madden '95 was my very first Madden. Maybe my memory doesn't serve me correctly: what features were in M95 that we don't have (and need) in 2012? Look man, I'm completely over the first five years of this generation. If you want to continue to harp on it and hold EA accountable, by all means, have at it. I'm of the belief that leads to more personal frustration than it does anything else, but I digress.

it even sounds way better than any madden we have received this gen just from the description on the back. To tell you the truth, just reading had me immersed and now I wanna go grab me a genesis from somewhere!

[wat3]

Quote: Originally Posted by mcmax3000

From what I was able to find, it goes through 2013, meaning that Madden 14 would be the last game under the current deal... But yes, they're likely just going to extend.

Thanks. I did some research of my own and was finding different answers from different sources. Some websites said Madden 13 is the last one and some sites said it runs to Madden 14 so I'm still a bit confused. Thanks for the reply.

[swiftychampleone]

There's a huge group of sim-gamers that feels that the PS2 versions of Madden 07-10 played much better that the current-gen counterparts? Sure, it's not in HD graphics but the gameplay mechanics are way better and simpler? I have a PS3 and STILL have no current-gen Madden. I need a football fix so badly that I've been looking at Madden 10 on PS2 and contemplating buying it. I mean, I have Madden 07, but it's TOO outdated.