NBA 2K12 Developer Insight #4 - Playcall System

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Quote: Originally Posted by mutumbo888

changing D on the fly has cheese written all over it imo. it's already in the game but this takes it even further. changing D on the fly (all in one possession) is very unrealistic. at max you'd see an Nba team doing a press and a zone but that happens pretty rarely. I suspect cheesers will be doing something like: the opponent inbounds --> press FC trap pressure the opponent passes it into the post --> press Lock Down Paint the opponent passes it backout to a 3pt shooter --> press Pressure Shooters that's cheese if you ask me. it becomes not a game of reactions by manually controlling the players, but a game of "coach" reactions, pressing buttons to have the CPU do all the work for you. it's like in a football game someone called a "run-stop" on the fly play AFTER the snap, and after you see that it's a handoff. ...not realistic. Nba teams usually stay in the defensive set for the entire possession. it would be almost impossible for the players to collectively react that fast to the coach barking out the play. but in videogames, the players will respond immediately with no consequences. there should definitely be a limit on how many times you can switch it up in one possession (pref. 2x or less) and that it tires your team out. this has been some undercover cheese that's gone on in nba2k imo. that'll be something to watch for when I jump online. other than that, this should expand the game a lot and the CPU will probably play alot better too.

It would be unsim but not sure that would be cheesing (something without a counter, unavoidable, a fault in the system, not ment to be) ... at least if it is done like in 2k11 ... while the players did react to your command, the reaction while inmediate, was not instantly ... this created holes on the defense while the players directed to their new set, therefor creating opportunities (think on it like a player always trying to go for steals and offensive fouls, the defense was in constant scramble) ... then again, beyond its effectiveness, what made me unconfortable was the unsim part and that it forced me to go the route of taking what the defense gave me, instead of stablishing my offensive scheme.

P.S:
I would welcome the stamina hit if multiple sets are run per possesion

[Knickerbocker]

Quote: Originally Posted by mutumbo888

changing D on the fly has cheese written all over it imo. it's already in the game but this takes it even further. changing D on the fly (all in one possession) is very unrealistic. at max you'd see an Nba team doing a press and a zone but that happens pretty rarely. I suspect cheesers will be doing something like: the opponent inbounds --> press FC trap pressure the opponent passes it into the post --> press Lock Down Paint the opponent passes it backout to a 3pt shooter --> press Pressure Shooters that's cheese if you ask me. it becomes not a game of reactions by manually controlling the players, but a game of "coach" reactions, pressing buttons to have the CPU do all the work for you. it's like in a football game someone called a "run-stop" on the fly play AFTER the snap, and after you see that it's a handoff. ...not realistic. Nba teams usually stay in the defensive set for the entire possession. it would be almost impossible for the players to collectively react that fast to the coach barking out the play. but in videogames, the players will respond immediately with no consequences. there should definitely be a limit on how many times you can switch it up in one possession (pref. 2x or less) and that it tires your team out. this has been some undercover cheese that's gone on in nba2k imo. that'll be something to watch for when I jump online. other than that, this should expand the game a lot and the CPU will probably play alot better too.

Changing defenses will not only create window of oportunity (open players) but most likely mismatches too (if you go from defending the paint to pressuring the perimeter), so I would welcome anyone to do it in an online match.

[stillfeelme]

Quote: Originally Posted by mutumbo888

changing D on the fly has cheese written all over it imo. it's already in the game but this takes it even further. changing D on the fly (all in one possession) is very unrealistic. at max you'd see an Nba team doing a press and a zone but that happens pretty rarely. I suspect cheesers will be doing something like: the opponent inbounds --> press FC trap pressure the opponent passes it into the post --> press Lock Down Paint the opponent passes it backout to a 3pt shooter --> press Pressure Shooters that's cheese if you ask me. it becomes not a game of reactions by manually.

I don't think it will be cheese because it is a risk and reward for each strategy you select. The defense may win some the offense may win some. You have to know who to foul who to let get theirs and try to shut down the rest of the team.
Defense

This gives the user a quick access to setting up the Defensive Settings on the fly:

• Pressure Shooters – for opposing players good at med/long range shots; tight onball, deny ball, go over screens, hedge on screens

This is designed to take away the perimeter players, but it leaves your post defense with no help. If you have a good offensive post player you have a one on one matchup. I hope there is a fatigue negative for pressure on high. If 2K gets the on ball defense right for each player example just because you put on ball defense on tight and your player is not a good on the ball defender it should hurt you by selecting this strategy. Think Mike Bibby on Derrick Rose as an example.

• Lock Down Paint – double down in the post for all players, go under screens

By your example if they switch to this you make the defense pay by kicking the ball back out and take the open jumpshot or you pass it to the open man that doubled off of you. Third option is to split the double team and take the shot anyway may get fouled may make the shot. On the offensive end you would want to space the floor and let your post player work.

• Focus on Stars – for opposing star players; always double, tight onball, deny ball

This is designed to take the star players out of the game. Again like above you can make the defense pay if you spot the double in the post and know who to pass to. Now if your player is a guard that has the ball in their hand a lot you are trying to get it out of their hand. This may not work if the star can spot the open man that can make a shot, if they miss then it works. This is the type of defense you would try to use on the Bulls IMO, a team with a dominant star and not consistent shooters on the floor.

• Constant Pressure – double team on drive for guards, double team in post for bigs, play tight on stars, go over screens, hard hedge

Now this one seems to be combining a lot of different things into one strategy. However you can counter this by passing out of the double team. Someone will be open if they are doubling the post and doubling the drives. I actually think there should be some increase in fatigue rate drop for using this one too. This one involves a lot of movement for everybody on your defense to help out.

[Matty Aqua]

Da Czar - Firstly thank you for answering everybody's questions!...and giving us info that helps us pass time until October release date!...The wait kills me every year!


My only questions at this point of time are - in a match (12 min quarters) are you guys getting realistic stats?...and were there major changes to things like player tendencies to get players to play a certain style?

[Da_Czar]

Quote: Originally Posted by aquaman

Da Czar - Firstly thank you for answering everybody's questions!...and giving us info that helps us pass time until October release date!...The wait kills me every year! My only questions at this point of time are - in a match (12 min quarters) are you guys getting realistic stats?...and were there major changes to things like player tendencies to get players to play a certain style?

No problem aquaman. The wait kills me too It's almost worse that I get to play it THEN starve until Oct. ver cruel punishment for a hoop fiend.

The stats were looking very very good in the build I played. Game had a great tempo and pace to it. I can't pinpoint once specific change that made it so.

Also there was something about the player tendencies that just seemed enhanced somehow. I mean melo really played more like himself once he received the ball. The same for other key players. I don't know what they did honestly and I don't recall if there were new tendencies but what was there just seemed to me to work better as far as players playing like themselves.

[made in eu]

Da Czar, can i ask you please if pre set simulation sliders and real player fg% are still in? And are they improved? Thank you.

[mutumbo888]

Quote: Originally Posted by stillfeelme

I don't think it will be cheese because it is a risk and reward for each strategy you select. The defense may win some the offense may win some. You have to know who to foul who to let get theirs and try to shut down the rest of the team. Defense This gives the user a quick access to setting up the Defensive Settings on the fly: Pressure Shooters – for opposing players good at med/long range shots; tight onball, deny ball, go over screens, hedge on screens This is designed to take away the perimeter players, but it leaves your post defense with no help. If you have a good offensive post player you have a one on one matchup. I hope there is a fatigue negative for pressure on high. If 2K gets the on ball defense right for each player example just because you put on ball defense on tight and your player is not a good on the ball defender it should hurt you by selecting this strategy. Think Mike Bibby on Derrick Rose as an example. Lock Down Paint – double down in the post for all players, go under screens By your example if they switch to this you make the defense pay by kicking the ball back out and take the open jumpshot or you pass it to the open man that doubled off of you. Third option is to split the double team and take the shot anyway may get fouled may make the shot. On the offensive end you would want to space the floor and let your post player work. Focus on Stars – for opposing star players; always double, tight onball, deny ball This is designed to take the star players out of the game. Again like above you can make the defense pay if you spot the double in the post and know who to pass to. Now if your player is a guard that has the ball in their hand a lot you are trying to get it out of their hand. This may not work if the star can spot the open man that can make a shot, if they miss then it works. This is the type of defense you would try to use on the Bulls IMO, a team with a dominant star and not consistent shooters on the floor. Constant Pressure – double team on drive for guards, double team in post for bigs, play tight on stars, go over screens, hard hedge Now this one seems to be combining a lot of different things into one strategy. However you can counter this by passing out of the double team. Someone will be open if they are doubling the post and doubling the drives. I actually think there should be some increase in fatigue rate drop for using this one too. This one involves a lot of movement for everybody on your defense to help out.

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good points. as long as the AI defense doesn't have some godlike response and recovery when switching sets in a possession, and there is a risk to doing it, should be ok.

Idk I'm undecided about how realistic it is to have cpu actions that create a magical pressurization at the push of the button. for example when someone presses 'double team' when someone is about to shoot, it's almost like they really pressed "turbo pressure." even if the 2nd defender isn't there, you get a magical pressure effect simply by pressing the double team button. not entirely saying it shouldn't be in the game, just saying that knowing when to press the double team button shouldn't take precedent over 'on the court' instincts of manually positioning your player, etc.

[Green Magic]

I hope that their wont be so much tweaking to the silders