Madden NFL 12 Player Ratings - Green Bay Packers and Minnesota Vikings

[kunner]

Quote: Originally Posted by DCEBB2001

They largely played two different positions all last year. I am not saying that Bush is the better player as a CB. But I am saying that he did make up for his lesser physical ability with better recognition skills. That's what FS's have to do back there. Read, and react.

Yes, they played 2 largely different positions last year. Shields covered one of the top 2 receivers for almost every team, while Bush was a gunner on special teams. Im not a Bush basher, i always thought Packer fans were too hard on him for the botched fumble against the Giants, when it should have been directed at Bert Farve. Bush is progressing, but if im not mistaken, you also have Brandon Underwood above him, who didnt even dress in 3/4 of the games last year, and will more than likely be cut this season.

[DCEBB2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by kunner

Yes, they played 2 largely different positions last year. Shields covered one of the top 2 receivers for almost every team, while Bush was a gunner on special teams. Im not a Bush basher, i always thought Packer fans were too hard on him for the botched fumble against the Giants, when it should have been directed at Bert Farve. Bush is progressing, but if im not mistaken, you also have Brandon Underwood above him, who didnt even dress in 3/4 of the games last year, and will more than likely be cut this season.

I am referring to one playing CB vs. one playing FS for the majority of the season.

[kunner]

Bush didnt play a whole lot in the secondary during the season. The only reason he saw time was after Morgan Burnett got hurt.

Right now, Bush is on the bubble, he will only make that team because of his special teams play. He might make it as the 4th safety, but watching last night, M.D. Jennings played a solid game behind a pretty suspect defense with Pat Lee and Bush out there at corner.

Im not saying your wrong, i just think the foundation for what you are basing your ratings on is skewed. I will take a look at all the ratings you have done, and i will probably more than likely use some of them.

[DCEBB2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by kunner

Bush didnt play a whole lot in the secondary during the season. The only reason he saw time was after Morgan Burnett got hurt. Right now, Bush is on the bubble, he will only make that team because of his special teams play. He might make it as the 4th safety, but watching last night, M.D. Jennings played a solid game behind a pretty suspect defense with Pat Lee and Bush out there at corner. Im not saying your wrong, i just think the foundation for what you are basing your ratings on is skewed. I will take a look at all the ratings you have done, and i will probably more than likely use some of them.

Go ahead and compare the preliminary ratings between both players and let me know what you think.

[bucky60]

Quote: Originally Posted by DCEBB2001

Limited research? I have ratings for 17000+ players! All based on scouting data! How is that "limited"? EA can't even boast that! In fact, I don't think anyone online can.

With all your 17000+ scouting reports, you must have missed that Bush has been a CB all pre-season. He's not playing Safety.

Quote: Originally Posted by DCEBB2001

Was Bush playing CB or FS in those situations? CB. And I said that as a CB he only equates to a 65 at best. But since he largely played FS until injuries occurred, that is how he was rated?

He played CB until last year. Where he played both CB and S. In the SB he was a CB. And he played VERY sparingly during the season, except for special teams.

[bucky60]

Quote: Originally Posted by DCEBB2001

They largely played two different positions all last year. I am not saying that Bush is the better player as a CB. But I am saying that he did make up for his lesser physical ability with better recognition skills. That's what FS's have to do back there. Read, and react.

Shields may be faster, but Bush has very good physical ability. And Read and React hasn't been Bush's strength. Nor has playing the ball. He's played CB every year except for one where he was a part time Safety and Part time CB.

Quote: Originally Posted by DCEBB2001

All of these ratings are based on higher opinions than ours though. The scouting data is pretty legit from TSX. After all, they provide ALL the NCAA and NFL scouting data for CBS Sports.

Then how out of date was your scouting data? That Shields was rated so low. I guess I used my eyes watching the GB games. You have the misfortune of not being able to watch EVERY game of EVERY team. So you do the best you can.

Quote: Originally Posted by DCEBB2001

I will choose to comment as I wish. That's the great thing about a forum so long as you obey the forum rules.

That's very true. I encourage you to do that. And others are free to respond to them. But your Shields picking nose comment was ridiculous.

[DCEBB2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by bucky60

With all your 17000+ scouting reports, you must have missed that Bush has been a CB all pre-season. He's not playing Safety. He played CB until last year. Where he played both CB and S. In the SB he was a CB. And he played VERY sparingly during the season, except for special teams.

From 11/1/2010 and 1/1/2010 until 8/1/2010 ourlads had him listed at FS. He has changed positions again, and the next time the ratings are updated, the positional change will cause his OVR to drop.

In the SB, he was listed as a FS according to ourlads.

[K_GUN]

Quote: Originally Posted by DCEBB2001

From 11/1/2010 and 1/1/2010 until 8/1/2010 ourlads had him listed at FS. He has changed positions again, and the next time the ratings are updated, the positional change will cause his OVR to drop. In the SB, he was listed as a FS according to ourlads.

side note...in years past your ratings would have only been good for 1 season as the next years players ratings would skew high but now that u can edit every player in your franchise it's possible to have a few years on your rating system

looking forward to it