Madden NFL 12 Player Ratings - Green Bay Packers and Minnesota Vikings

[DCEBB2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by TracerBullet

Peyton Manning must be the fastest QB int he league then.

Exactly my point. SPD does not equate to being better. So why rate a guy like Finley so high in the SPD department when he isn't really that fast? Doesn't make any sense.

[DCEBB2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by aceoye

or in finleys case a faster player on the field ones 40 time could be better than another but it doesnt mean they're faster on the field..the field isnt a race track. while 40s and all those other records are key elements to use when rating a player you cant go off that alone as it can be inaccurate as its just judging speed and not speed in-game

Well and that is why I used some of the SPD ratings from the in-game 40 project run by a colleague. And even then, one can see that Finley wasn't the fastest TE out there.

[bucky60]

Quote: Originally Posted by DCEBB2001

Griffin also came from the wide side of the field and had to cover a greater distance. You still think that Finley is faster than Driver?

Where did I say he was? I just don't think there's much difference between Finley and Quarless like you do. According to you, Finley is only good for jump balls. That's where I thinking your smoking stuff.

[bucky60]

Quote: Originally Posted by DCEBB2001

When did I say that Quarless is WAY beyond Finley? I just said he is the faster of the two TEs. I didn't say he was 10 points ahead or anything. I think you are trying to imply something that I did not say.

You kept saying that Finley is ONLY good for jump balls while praising Quarless. And a difference of 77 and 82 is saying it. I strongly disagree. So, I'm not even fighting you on who is actually faster. Just how much.

Quote: Originally Posted by DCEBB2001

What further exemplifies my point is that Finley is coming off of major knee surgery as well. How on earth can you give a guy 86 speed with above average speed for a TE and a severe injury history? That makes no sense.

Oh, so you timed this training camp (after his surgery)? How would you know he lost so much speed due to injury?

Quote: Originally Posted by DCEBB2001

I am also saying that Finley is the more agile of the 2 TEs. Finley is a better route runner and is better after the catch. He is more polished and is the better player, even when injured. But what Finley is not compared to Quarless if faster.

And I'm saying that I don't think there is nearly as much difference in speed as you think, and that I'm not even sure which one is faster. I'm not even fighting you on which one is faster, just how much faster.

[DCEBB2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by bucky60

Where did I say he was? I just don't think there's much difference between Finley and Quarless like you do. According to you, Finley is only good for jump balls. That's where I thinking your smoking stuff.

I never said that was the only thing he was good at. Otherwise I would have his speed at 12 and JMP at 99. I just said GB tends to use him split out wide in the red zone for jump balls over CBs. Find where I said the words "ONLY GOOD FOR JUMP BALLS" please. I wasn't saying that you said he was slower than Driver. I was asking you a question.

[tebowfanai]

Very accurate ratings if you ask me.

[DCEBB2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by bucky60

You kept saying that Finley is ONLY good for jump balls while praising Quarless. And a difference of 77 and 82 is saying it. I strongly disagree. So, I'm not even fighting you on who is actually faster. Just how much. To me, 77 compared to 82 isn't a huge difference. However, there is a HUGE difference between how EA has him and where I think he should be. That is almost double the difference I recommend. Oh, so you timed this training camp (after his surgery)? How would you know he lost so much speed due to injury? I am merely suggesting that most players who have serious knee surgeries lose on the average of about .05s off of their in-game 40 per season. That's all. And yes, I do have access to data to back that up per the in-game 40 time data. See that thread for more info. And I'm saying that I don't think there is nearly as much difference in speed as you think, and that I'm not even sure which one is faster. I'm not even fighting you on which one is faster, just how much faster.

Completely fine. I have no issue with that. But please tell me where I said he is ONLY good for jump balls.

[aceoye]

Quote: Originally Posted by DCEBB2001

Well and that is why I used some of the SPD ratings from the in-game 40 project run by a colleague. And even then, one can see that Finley wasn't the fastest TE out there.

Im talking about in-game an actual nfl football game..I dont think theres a accurate way to record someones speed in game as you will have to take into account how much equipment they are wearing, what routes they ran,grass/weather conditions and etc.. so in trying to get someones speed from that you can only go by what you see..In which finley>quarless..when finley starts for green bay you see more finley action compared to when quarless starts.. Its not like hes way faster than quarless so the better player equals more speed is irrelevant...what Im getting at is that finleys 86 is understandable to quarless which you rarely see quarless do much on the field its hard to make him faster than jermichael when you barely see anything..I dont agree with donald driver being slower though..