Madden NFL 12 Player Ratings - Green Bay Packers and Minnesota Vikings

[DCEBB2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by genghisfrog

Jared Allen keeps running straight while Finley cuts left and loses his footing. You don't watch many Packers games if you think Quarless is faster than Finley. Going by 40 times is laughable. Greg Jennings ran a 4.5 40, but does he play at that speed?

I have seen every Packer game either on TV or in person since 1995. Quarless is a faster, more agile TE, but is raw. Quarless lacks the ball skills that Finley impresses. Notice those jump balls in the red zone. He separates from nobody, but makes the catch because of his size and hands. He is easy to blanket down the field, but near impossible to out jump when in position. Allen still ran him down regardless of what Finley was doing. On that same play, he was still caught by the back end of the defense. There were not any plays where he outran a CB or S. In fact, there are some plays in there where he beats a LB for a catch, the LB gets out of position, then comes back 5 yards later to make the tackle.

Jennings did not run a 4.50 as you say. He ran a 4.42 at the combine in 2006, a near elite time regardless of position. Please get your facts straight.

[genghisfrog]

Who can outrun a DB when the offense is on the 5 yard line?

His low was a 4.42 at the combine. He also ran worse than that.

Lastly, when did Quarless get any kind of separation last year?

[genghisfrog]

Honestly, you're just nitpicking Finley's speed by a few points.

Frank Zombo being faster than Walden?

Tauscher an 86? OVERRRRRated

Bulaga an 82?Overrated

Raji an 88? Underrated

Nick Collins speed---underrated

Bishop an 82? Underrated

All of those above are minor problems. The only major mistake in the ratings is Sam Shields being a 75 overall.

[DCEBB2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by genghisfrog

Who can outrun a DB when the offense is on the 5 yard line? His low was a 4.42 at the combine. He also ran worse than that. Lastly, when did Quarless get any kind of separation last year?

Actually his average verifiable time was 4.42 after the electronic readjustment. His range was 4.34 to 4.51. All players actually have 6 times because 2 from each run are hand-started and then re-adjusted after the combine. The teams don't even get all of the numbers until the week after the combine is over.

Finley had several chances to outrun the D in that video I provided. How many times did you see him outrun the D for a TD? Not many.

As for Quarless I can think of 3 in particular. The one for 23 against MIA, the one for 21 against WAS, and one in his best game against DET for 20; all as a rookie forced into a starting role. He is a raw talent and the reason he had to split time with Crabtree. He had trouble hanging on to balls, something Finley has not had trouble with.

[DCEBB2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by genghisfrog

Honestly, you're just nitpicking Finley's speed by a few points. Frank Zombo being faster than Walden? Tauscher an 86? OVERRRRRated Bulaga an 82?Overrated Raji an 88? Underrated Nick Collins speed---underrated Bishop an 82? Underrated All of those above are minor problems. The only major mistake in the ratings is Sam Shields being a 75 overall.

That Zombo SPD rating is quite perplexing. He is not fast by any means. I don't get it....

[genghisfrog]

Outrunning the D? Are you serious? You are acting like Finley is a 95 speed. He's only an 86.

Quarless was open vs zone D, he didn't get separation in man to man.

[bucky60]

Quote: Originally Posted by DCEBB2001

As for Quarless I can think of 3 in particular. The one for 23 against MIA, the one for 21 against WAS, and one in his best game against DET for 20; all as a rookie forced into a starting role. He is a raw talent and the reason he had to split time with Crabtree. He had trouble hanging on to balls, something Finley has not had trouble with.

Finley longest reception each year.
2008-35 yards
2009-62 yards
2010-34 yards

I think Finley runs pretty well. And that is in shortened seasons due to injuries.

[DCEBB2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by genghisfrog

Outrunning the D? Are you serious? You are acting like Finley is a 95 speed. He's only an 86. Quarless was open vs zone D, he didn't get separation in man to man.

I would put him closer to an 80 than a 90. If you think that Finley is for one second faster than an INJURED Driver, you are insane!

So you are saying that Quarless never ran against man? He was in man the whole season because we lined him up as an H-Back on passing downs! He was on OLBs and Nickle defenders every 2nd and 3rd down the whole season! Did you watch any games? If it weren't for Quarless having unreliable hands and sometimes running the wrong routes he would be more than a physical specimen. Please provide some REAL evidence to the contrary.