FBGRatings Seeks to Recalibrate Madden Ratings, Change Game

[DCEBB2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by carnalnirvana

i would love to use these ratings in madden but as spot on as i believe they may be to represent the players talent they contribute to the exploits in programming that EA uses the main rating i look at is agility a guy like trent cole with an 82, the cpu will use him like urlacher/willis in terms of range... i dont know if you tested these on a madden game, IMO the AGILITY rating has few animation speeds so there is little to no difference between cole at 82 and revis at 92 i think you capture technique and talent but the broken movement of the defense will still remain....

If that is true, then that is on EA. You will notice that this system is simply to offer a more realistic approach to rating players on a scale based on data. The ultimate goal is not to fix what is wrong with EA's game engine. What you will notice, however, is that the difference between great and good player attributes has been widened. That is to say that not every player has an AGI over 90. In fact, look at Adrian Peterson. His AGI is only 79. Or Desean Jackson, who has an AGI of 87. That is where you will find the primary difference. Elite has a whole new meaning.

[garret2]

quick question dan, are all player speeds calculated the same way (counting frames over on field 10 yard sprint x 3 + the first 10 seconds of the 40 yard dash)? and are the "on field 40's" updated every year for most players so that we know player speeds are current? thanks!

[DCEBB2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by garret2

quick question dan, are all player speeds calculated the same way (counting frames over on field 10 yard sprint x 3 + the first 10 seconds of the 40 yard dash)? and are the "on field 40's" updated every year for most players so that we know player speeds are current? thanks!

The on-field 40s are updated weekly. However, the SPD ratings you see right now are for the most part determined by combine and pro day data. The issue with the on-field 40s is that they can be miss-represented for some players. For example, Trindon Holliday officially has the fastest 40 recorded at a combine or pro day since 1998 at 4.21. However, his on-field is only a 4.35. Brett Swain's official 40 is around 4.58 but on-field he is at a 4.37. Some of those numbers are a bit too inconsistent for me. Here are some others. Which do you think are more accurate?

M. Vick 93 or 87
L. Tomlinson 87 or 78
C. Ochocinco 81 or 86
R. Moss 90 or 88
R. Grant 88 or 84
M. Barber 86 or 81
T. Holliday 99 or 93
T. Romo 61 or 72
C. Palmer 78 or 62
W. McGahee 87 or 81
D. Driver 87 or 82
N. Asomugha 87 or 85

Let me know which ones you think are the most accurate.

[King Gro23]

Vick a 93. If you are truly trying to capture the players and their true skills, Vick is electric and his elite speed is too. 93 IMO will give vick that level of danger just like irl. IMO

[DCEBB2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by King Gro23

Vick a 93. If you are truly trying to capture the players and their true skills, Vick is electric and his elite speed is too. 93 IMO will give vick that level of danger just like irl. IMO

See, and I had him at 93 but I received a bunch of PMs from people saying that he was too fast at 93 because that 4.33 he put up was estimated in 2001. He looked just as fast to me as he did before, but I guess a bunch of people disagreed.

[garret2]

personally, i have always thought on field times are more accurate even though they may seem off for guys like tomlinson and mcgahee who we think of as "fast", but those on field times are updated weekly and give us a snapshot of how fast that player is right now, not 10 years ago at the combine. and like you said, brett swain players faster than his 40 and holliday plays a little slower than his 40 and to me its all about how fast they are on the field with their pads on, getting chased and not how good their 40 yard dash technique is. so if you can use those on field 40 times for madden i believe it would equate more with what we see every sunday on the field, plus, they get updated so its hard to argue with. but either way you choose, great work! let me know if i can help you with any of this because i love roster making as well.

[garret2]

Quote: Originally Posted by King Gro23

Vick a 93. If you are truly trying to capture the players and their true skills, Vick is electric and his elite speed is too. 93 IMO will give vick that level of danger just like irl. IMO

but vicks "true" speed would be 87 like dan has him. that is still really fast and it is backed up by his on field 40, which is objective and quantitative data and is far superior to someones opinion who says "vick is really fast when i watch him so if i had to choose between 87 and 93, then i say 93."

[King Gro23]

Thats true^ I also forgot that the entire field has their speed tweaked so 87 is still premier for him.