FBGRatings Seeks to Recalibrate Madden Ratings, Change Game

[DCEBB2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by oklandr8rs

Excuse my ignorance if this has already been posted/asked, but I can't seem to find a list of sliders you spoke of in an earlier post, post #43. Is there somewhere to find those and the threshold? I am loving the resurgence of this site. I remember when it was up in '04 and used it then too. Thanks!

There are not any sliders or speed threshold ratings yet.

[RogueHominid]

Quote: Originally Posted by DCEBB2001

Considered by who, exactly, is what I would ask. The data that I have shows that these 3 WRs may not be as elite as some would suppose. HOWEVER, you must also remember that the CTH and SPC, CIT ratings work symbiotically. That is, the CTH rating affects the other two ratings. Now, Fitz has a CTH of 90, Lloyd an 86, and Johnson an 83 which measures the pure, mundane use of their hands. This rating will, in the game, affect the other 2. So in reality, all three still have very good hands.

I've read the term "mundane use" of one's hands in several posts in this thread, and I'm really curious what the mundane use of hands is exactly and why that term and the action it signifies gets correlated to the catch rating in Madden.

On the issue of spectacular catches, I'm sure there are hidden data somewhere that corroborate your ratings, but there do seem to be certain receivers who are able to make those wow catches and a large majority of receivers who can't. That ratings strikes me more as an eyeball test type thing, but I could be wrong.

But again, what is the "mundane" use of the hands thing?

[DCEBB2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by Trojan Man

I've read the term "mundane use" of one's hands in several posts in this thread, and I'm really curious what the mundane use of hands is exactly and why that term and the action it signifies gets correlated to the catch rating in Madden. On the issue of spectacular catches, I'm sure there are hidden data somewhere that corroborate your ratings, but there do seem to be certain receivers who are able to make those wow catches and a large majority of receivers who can't. That ratings strikes me more as an eyeball test type thing, but I could be wrong. But again, what is the "mundane" use of the hands thing?

The CTH rating is the routine and mundane use of hands. How good are their hands just in general. Does the receiver allow balls to get into his body or does he catch away from it. Does the receiver go to meet the ball? How reliable is he just catching a pass while not under duress? Think of it as how good a receiver's hands are in general without putting in much effort to haul in a pass.

[Aso21Raiders]

My question is how do you justify Mark Brunell's 90 throw power and 77 overall rating?

He should probably have more around 70 throw power and a 67 overall.

[RogueHominid]

Quote: Originally Posted by DCEBB2001

The CTH rating is the routine and mundane use of hands. How good are their hands just in general. Does the receiver allow balls to get into his body or does he catch away from it. Does the receiver go to meet the ball? How reliable is he just catching a pass while not under duress? Think of it as how good a receiver's hands are in general without putting in much effort to haul in a pass.

Well, the examples you use here aren't just use in general, and they're not divorced from the effort to haul in a pass. How is extending the hands to meet the ball or turning them upside down to body cradle a pass not a concerted effort to catch a pass? I guess I'm failing to see what's mundane about those examples. Receivers don't really deploy their hands relative to the movement of a ball without trying to catch it.

On a related note, what would be the basis for judging how good one was with one's hands in a very general, non task-specific sort of way? And what would be the purpose of that judgment for rating players in Madden?

I find this a really interesting concept, so thanks for offering a definition.

[DCEBB2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by Aso21Raiders

My question is how do you justify Mark Brunell's 90 throw power and 77 overall rating? He should probably have more around 70 throw power and a 67 overall.

THP is not just about how hard you throw a ball, but is also about how FAR you can throw it and the data I have shows that he can still lay a deep ball out there. That is why.

[DCEBB2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by Trojan Man

Well, the examples you use here aren't just use in general, and they're not divorced from the effort to haul in a pass. How is extending the hands to meet the ball or turning them upside down to body cradle a pass not a concerted effort to catch a pass? I guess I'm failing to see what's mundane about those examples. Receivers don't really deploy their hands relative to the movement of a ball without trying to catch it. On a related note, what would be the basis for judging how good one was with one's hands in a very general, non task-specific sort of way? And what would be the purpose of that judgment for rating players in Madden? I find this a really interesting concept, so thanks for offering a definition.

Think of it as how fell a receiver catches a ball without being under duress. If you fail to understand that explanation for the CTH rating, then you will just have to lack that understanding. I can't think of a way to better explain it.

The basis for using that is to simply quantify the basic catching capabilities of a player, hence my definition of the CTH rating.

[at23steelers]

Quote: Originally Posted by DCEBB2001

Think of it as how fell a receiver catches a ball without being under duress. If you fail to understand that explanation for the CTH rating, then you will just have to lack that understanding. I can't think of a way to better explain it. The basis for using that is to simply quantify the basic catching capabilities of a player, hence my definition of the CTH rating.

I think his point is no matter how you catch it, this should be how many times lets say out of 100, you catch a basic pass. How can you really rate in terms of an overall whether his arms were fully extended to make the catch, 30 degrees extended, not extended at all. This would be impossible to judge unless you fully study like 10 catches from EVERY single player in the entire NFL.