Phil Frazier is Leaving EA Sports Tiburon

[LiquorLogic]

Quote: Originally Posted by Pared

Poor impulse control equates to another year of boring football gaming.

Actually, boring football gaming year after year is what causes poor impulse control.

And please don't respond with " you shouldn't have bought it," or " there's always the option to rent first."

There are many people who elect not to purchase Madden, but are still angry because they don't have suitable alternative, and when I say a suitable alternative, I mean another NFL football game.

Yeah it's just a hobby, but most people will be angry, even if they find another hobby, if that original hobby is taken away from them.

I understand that the developers didn't ink the exclusive deal, but when things are half-a**ed, missing, or broken, and people hear, " didn't have the time," or "wait for the patch" or " next year " (especially when next year comes and EA still doesn't deliver) the perception is that they're resting on their laurels and taking advantage of the exclusive license.

[Only1LT]

I don't condone personal attacks. In reality though, ijits are everywhere. OS is not immune to them.

If you spent anytime at all on the inter webs, you know that people behave even more poorly with anonymity than they do in person. In some cases that is saying a lot.

There is no place where a dev can go though and not get some of the aforementioned maroons to harass them in an inappropriate way. The same can be said for non devs as well. When I am on a forum and see the racist/ misogynist/ homophobic/ what ever comments made, it angers me for a split second. Then I remember that I have no control over how others behave, I hit the report button, keep it moving, and let the mods do their job. Nothing else you can do. For every one of them there are a million more to take their place.

I have empathy for the abuse that the devs, or anyone in a similar situation takes, where people attack personally for problems that they have with someone professionally. You can't let that rule your actions though. Not everyone behaves that way.

I'm not saying this to try and convince a dev that they need to come to OS so that I can have their ear. The devs can do what they feel is in their best interest to do. They are grown men and can do what ever they please. For their benefit though, I would just like them to know that if they do decide to deal with the community, ignore the people who deserve to be ignored and keep your head up. People can talk about me personally or my mom or what ever on the internet all they want, and it won't bother me in the least, because they don't know me, or my mom lol, and they just want a reaction more than anything and I'm not going to give it to them.

At the end of the day, you have to realize that they are just dudes on the internet. Nothing more.

[Broncos86]

Quote: Originally Posted by tazdevil20

Then you haven't done development before. While I don't think personal attacks are acceptable, I do think that developers need to have thick skin. This is work, they shouldn't be out to make friends with everyone. You need to have thick skin. The best thing to do is to be a grown up and not respond to the childish attacks. Part of the job is reading through the crap to get to the jewels. This is the same in all areas of software development. When you start responding or running away from the feedback that is negative, then you are not cut out for this. Ignore the crap and look at the constructive stuff. It's that simple.

I HAVE done development. And in many cases, the best immediate feedback is focus testing. When one is trying to balance feedback with figuring out how to implement the feature, then actually taking the time to make it happen, little room is left to sift through piles and piles of negative rants just to find a small gem.

This is why many companies hire community managers to deal with this stuff, and then bring suggestions to the developers. Other companies don't even deal with it at all. Rarely have I seen a company allow their developers and executives to interact on a fan forum. Because of this uniqueness, there are some individuals who do not understand and cannot comprehend how to behave in such a scenario. It appears that the time spent yelling at the TV has dehumanized the Madden developers into mere objects at which the gamer directs his/her anger. When the chance arises to actually convey a message to these developers, all this angers explodes. I would equate this to a lack of maturity.

I wouldn't be the least bit shocked if the Madden team has a simple list of constructive contributors on this board, and merely goes to those individual's arenas to see their posts.

[Jistic]

Maybe it's just cuz I'm old but man I think some people are WAYYYYY too sensitive. Especially on a message board.

[roadman]

Quote: Originally Posted by LiquorLogic

Actually, boring football gaming year after year is what causes poor impulse control. And please don't respond with " you shouldn't have bought it," or " there's always the option to rent first." There are many people who elect not to purchase Madden, but are still angry because they don't have suitable alternative, and when I say a suitable alternative, I mean another NFL football game. Yeah it's just a hobby, but most people will be angry, even if they find another hobby, if that original hobby is taken away from them. I understand that the developers didn't ink the exclusive deal, but when things are half-a**ed, missing, or broken, and people hear, " didn't have the time," or "wait for the patch" or " next year " (especially when next year comes and EA still doesn't deliver) the perception is that they're resting on their laurels and taking advantage of the exclusive license.

I understand what you are saying, but Ian has already mentioned a few times in here that's it not because of the lack of innovation, but it's the technology. So, it's not the wait till next year stuff, etc.......it's the technology, not the people.

Now, AJ has come in and said that Ian and Phil have came in and laid the groundwork for easier transitions for tech upgrades with the tools they added.

To me, conversing with a mod, developer, follower poster, etc..... starts with, treating the person like you would in real life. If you are upset with your wife or gf, do you tell her she's trash, she fails at things, etc..... or do you approach it diplomatically and with constructive criticism? And before anyone says, wrong example, it could be any relationship outside this forum.

If I was EA, I'd have an 20 yr old intern who is internet savvy and gather the suggestions and email inside to the developers. Wade through the junk, to get to the jewels. All the Intern needs to say is thanks, messages delivered.

Good luck to Phil.

[Pared]

Quote: Originally Posted by LiquorLogic

Actually, boring football gaming year after year is what causes poor impulse control.

I know you don't genuinely believe that and are reaching. This is an incredible stretch in justifying a leisurely habit that you can control.

And if you really do believe that, then I sincerely have nothing else to add.

[CubFan23]

Quote: Originally Posted by Ian_Cummings

Do they ban people on this forum for stupidity?

Please, Madden has been heading in the wrong direction for years, good to get some new people with fresh idea's

[roadman]

Quote: Originally Posted by CubFan23

Please, Madden has been heading in the wrong direction for years, good to get some new people with fresh idea's

New people = NCAA people. Roy Harvey from NCAA has taken over Phil's seat.

Fresh ideas, we'll see.