Phil Frazier is Leaving EA Sports Tiburon

[Tweeg]

I never liked this dood anyways.

[bucky60]

Quote: Originally Posted by Skyboxer

I'm the "guy" I'm not complaining about the normal people who generally want to help. I'm talking about the people who aren't happy ever and want to be miserable all the time.

But, next gen, so far has been somewhat miserable. So I understand the constant disappointment.

Quote: Originally Posted by Skyboxer

This is the first Madden in a while that I've been this excited for.

Me too. I guess I can't say "excited" yet, but I'm interested. I think they will have exceeded prev gen in some franchise features. I'm hopeful cause this year would be the year to get Madden, being a GB Packer fan.

Anyways, I think we understand each other, or at least I think we do, so there is really no need to continue this. I'm with you about being interested for the first time in years.

[The Bimmer]

Well, I am still buying this game regardless of the fact Phil Frazier, Ian Sanford, or whoever leaves E.A. Good luck to the guys that are moving on.

[kehlis]

Quote: Originally Posted by bucky60

No they get a pass ALL THE TIME. You say good things about madden and there is absolutely no fear of infraction or banning. Even when someone like me states my opinion, I will get criticized by somebody else making excuses for why it's OK.

Not sure where you are coming from here.

Mods here give warnings and infractions for insults, not what side of the fence you lie on.

Criticism is not against the TOS. Insults are.

[bkrich83]

Quote: Originally Posted by bucky60

No they get a pass ALL THE TIME. You say good things about madden and there is absolutely no fear of infraction or banning. Even when someone like me states my opinion, I will get criticized by somebody else making excuses for why it's OK. .

Generally speaking those people aren't trolling. They aren't posting stuff just to get a reaction. They aren't here to stir things up, just because.

I tend to pay attention to the cool aid drinkers about as much as the agenda pushers, but they get a pass for the reason they simply aren't here to start ****.

[Skyboxer]

Quote: Originally Posted by bucky60

And so far, that's what I have chosen to do. Maybe that will change this year. Same here. Well i know I'll be in line at midnight this year I don't think being dissatisfied with the product taking HUGE steps backwards for well over half a decade is either idiotic or juvenile. It hasn't gone backwards. They have stated since Madden 06 that they started over and built from ground up so nothing was really taken out. Don't understand why that doesn't sink in with people. Whether we believe that or not is up to us, BUT since they are the ones doing it , I'll have to believe them. Am I happy with the progress? hell no. Does it help to be rude and not helping with constructive feedback? nope. I never had an XBOX or PS2. But I did have a PC and it was much better than what we've seen on this next generation, and the PC was a port of the previous years console game. So I have to strongly disagree with you. And then you add what the guys at football-freaks did to the PC game and it's not even close. This current (next) gen is still catching up. Maybe this is the year it does. PC madden was very nice, agree. FPSFB was my favorite by far though. I've never owned a 2k NFL game, but I have had MLB and NBA 2K for the last 3 years and those games are so much better than where madden is. Since I strongly disagree with your assessment of prev. gen madden as opposed to this gen madden, I'm really leery about trusting your judgment of NFL2k5. I've heard to many great things about it and I have experience with MLB2k and NBA2K. I don't want you to trust my opinion. You should have your own. All I can say is that I am a HUGE Fb gamer and NFL2K5 while great in it's time, never was the Jesus of football games as it is claimed to be now. It had it's share of faults as all games do. Presentation has been second to none but the gameplay had it's faults by far. I don't think that recognizing that the game hasn't even come back to last gen standards over-reacting or bashing. Sorry, I strongly disagree. Again, I've given my share of feedback to EA. However I can do it without insults etc.. I also never said a game sucks a month before it's release.. No you don't. The game took a HUGE step backwards and it is the ONLY NFL video game in town. If 2K were still making one, then it would be OK for Madden to take a step back, cause we would still have another NFL football video game to turn to. I never had a NFL2K game, but I sure would like for them to get back into the picture. What you call bashing about what "isn't there" I call a huge problem when those features are pretty essential and previously existed. Again, I strongly disagree. We all would like to have another choice and I've said a million times that if 2K was still around Madden would be way further along than it is. However 2K isn't around and that doesn't give anyone the right to post rude, personal attacks towards developers. then of course there are those lifelong agenda people who just posy negativity for the fun of it. No they get a pass ALL THE TIME. You say good things about madden and there is absolutely no fear of infraction or banning. Even when someone like me states my opinion, I will get criticized by somebody else making excuses for why it's OK. Why would someone get banned for saying something good? Again banning someone who is CONSTANTLY hitting every thread with the same tired speach and is clearly agenda driven is what I'm talking about. I hope you can understand where I'm coming from.

I understand where you're coming from. I just don't think you realize the group I'm refering too.
I've been called a 2K lover and an EA lover in the same week... Why? because I'm fair in my feedback and I have absolutely no loyalty to either but I don't bash just to cause a ruckus and "be seen"...

[bucky60]

Quote: Originally Posted by kehlis

Not sure where you are coming from here. Mods here give warnings and infractions for insults, not what side of the fence you lie on. Criticism is not against the TOS. Insults are.

I think Skyboxer and I understand each other and where the other is coming from, so like I said in my last post, I don't think there is a need to continue. I gave my opinion, he game his.

[Skyboxer]

Quote: Originally Posted by bucky60

I think Skyboxer and I understand each other and where the other is coming from, so like I said in my last post, I don't think there is a need to continue. I gave my opinion, he game his.

Yep.. We had a discussion via PM. We understand each other now.