Phil Frazier is Leaving EA Sports Tiburon

[LiquorLogic]

Quote: Originally Posted by TheShizNo1

Doesn't matter. It's gone down hill. He's to blame also. He got old and stale, just like the game. Like a bag of Doritos that's been in the cabinet for too long.

Exactly, who was at the helm of Madden development ? M10 and M11 were disappointments. This whole generation of Madden games were disappointments. We have been asking for things to be done that have been done by games, some made by EA, years ago. I guess Cam saw that and figured it was time to go in a different direction.

M12 looks to be a huge improvement, but a guess it was too little too late. This series is years behind the other sports titles in spite of all the progress that has been made.

[bxgoods]

Seeing Phil leave doesn't get me upset, theres always a lot changeover in any big company. People want to move on to next stage of their career, I wish Phil the best of luck at his new gig.

I would be upset if Josh Looman left though. If he left, then EA would have a lot of problems replacing 3 big cogs in basically one years time.

[Blitzburgh]

Quote: Originally Posted by Ian_Cummings

Finally someone with sense!

That my Steelers fans for ya! lol

[adfletch71]

[quote=K_GUN;2042499987]u can disagree all u want

fact is....I skipped madden until M10...the previous titles weren;t worth my money.

NFL wouldn't let EA....oops...*strongly encouraged EA* to not use ESPN..and besides....if EA DID use the ESPN license I'm pretty sure guys like u would be the first to post..."yada yada...i saw that 7 years ago..yada yada..." (c'mon, admit it, you know would...LOL)

and.....have to disagree with u just dismissing camera angles so quickly....those things are huge.....many of those angles are from the same
angles that CBS uses..and more (NFL FILMS)...they alone add so much more to presentation

i'm not here to get into a phssing match with u on 2k.....i was a fanboy myself--go look up my posts from 2004!...heck I still play APF when i need my gameplay fix.

alos..Adembroski said that Ian & Co. spent a lot of time building tools that would allow for huge leaps & bounds in their yearly dev cycle....i think you'll see that for M12 & beyond.

I've made peace with NFL gaming....maybe it would do u some good to as well


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Really K_GUN

U made peace with NFL gaming...why?? Are u willing to settle for what EA gives us every year and have tasted that almost perfect fruit of NFL2k5..lmao
We both know what almost perfect presentation is, last year, did u like the stats package for Madden11? Madden12 looks similar in that category looking at the E3 videos. We could have so much better in that dept, thats why i dont understand why the developers fail too visually see it, they say they look at the NFL broadcast all the time. Stats, Stats and more Stats, we see it all the time in the NFL, why not Madden? 2k5 did this very well and i hope Madden can do the same with this new GM..Cam Weber

[LiquorLogic]

Quote: Originally Posted by Ian_Cummings

Just go away please. You have no idea what you're talking about. 13 years of unwavering dedication, an incredible leader, was a key part of why Madden came to be the megahit game it is today, and you're comparing him to Doritos.

Madden is the megahit game that it is today because it was the pioneer of football gaming. It's only a megahit due to the popularity of the NFL. When you compare it to other sports titles, the simulation of those sports is clearly superior to Madden's simulation of NFL football; that's a fact. Madden 12, as much as it's improved, will still be behind other sports titles.

Quote: Originally Posted by bxgoods

Seeing Phil leave doesn't get me upset, theres always a lot changeover in any big company. People want to move on to next stage of their career, I wish Phil the best of luck at his new gig. I would be upset if Josh Looman left though. If he left, then EA would have a lot of problems replacing 3 big cogs in basically one years time.

Yeah, but the fact that the two most significant developers, when it comes to Madden, are leaving so close together reminds me of a new coach ( Cam Weber) replacing the existing coaching staff with his own.

[Only1LT]

Quote: Originally Posted by Phobia

Why is this part of the topic??? SMH

Why didn't you say this when Ian brought up the subject? SMH

[K_GUN]

Quote:

Really K_GUN U made peace with NFL gaming...why?? Are u willing to settle for what EA gives us every year and have tasted that almost perfect fruit of NFL2k5..lmao We both know what almost perfect presentation is, last year, did u like the stats package for Madden11? Madden12 looks similar in that category looking at the E3 videos. We could have so much better in that dept, thats why i dont understand why the developers fail too visually see it, they say they look at the NFL broadcast all the time. Stats, Stats and more Stats, we see it all the time in the NFL, why not Madden? 2k5 did this very well and i hope Madden can do the same with this new GM..Cam Weber

yup....made peace

dueces

;o)

BTW...whats the alternative?

*make Youtube vids showing APF/2K5 highlights?..nah...lame use of time

*spend countless hours on a gaming website with my captain obvious cape on reminding/telling everyone how superior 2k was?.......again....lame use of time

nope...not for me

[RGiles36]

Quote: Originally Posted by Only1LT

Why didn't you say this when Ian brought up the subject? SMH

What are you trying to prove?

"What's understood doesn't need to be said."

Quote: Originally Posted by adfletch71

We both know what almost perfect presentation is, last year, did u like the stats package for Madden11? Madden12 looks similar in that category looking at the E3 videos. We could have so much better in that dept, thats why i dont understand why the developers fail too visually see it, they say they look at the NFL broadcast all the time. Stats, Stats and more Stats, we see it all the time in the NFL, why not Madden? 2k5 did this very well and i hope Madden can do the same with this new GM..Cam Weber

Have you watched the M12 vids? The stats package is eerily similar to what CBS is doing -- quick stats pop out of the score hub, and there are full stat banners in necessary situations i.e. after scoring at TD.

2K5 had great presentation. It was the standard. But ESPN Sunday Night Football no longer comes on TV, and it would be foolish for Madden to attempt to reflect a dated broadcast experience. If you watch CBS football games, you can tell that's where the influence on Madden comes from and they seem to have captured it well (the videos suggest that at least).

Seems to me you're not impressed b/c it doesn't look like that other game. And I'm not suggesting the presentation in Madden will be on that level. But I think you're ignoring that the broadcast experience has changed IRL.