New Features Aren’t All Free in NCAA Football 12

[bkrich83]

Quote: Originally Posted by NDAlum

I think we disagree with your argument about the features being 100% necessary for the functionality of the game. If you want to be upset about them marketing the features as "already in the game" I can understand that. I can't understand the argument where you state the features are 100% necessary for the functionality of the game. The new features are a luxury within the game

Exactly. They are added features, that are not required to play the game. Not having these features doesn't prevent you from playing the game.

I didn't think it was that hard to figure out.

[kbmnm247]

Quote: Originally Posted by bkrich83

It's still not a monopoly. Exclusive licensing and monopolies are different animals with different connotations.

I agree in fact, it is not a monopoly since other companies can make a football game (Backbreaker and APF2k8 for example). However, if I want an NFL or NCAA game, which let's be honest, that's what people want. They don't want to play with fake people for the most part, the casual gamer and especially the hardcore gamer want the real players they see on Saturday and Sunday. I'm sure you can admit that.

That is what creates the "monopoly" (notice the quotes). It is effectively a monopoly. I can't think of any other situation in any other part of our country where a situation like this exists other than maybe Comcast, and, coincidentally, there are many similar feelings for EA/Comcast from their customers.

The point remains, and it can't really be debated, that if I want to play the latest NFL or NCAA sports game on my Xbox 360, Wii, or PS3, it will come from EA sports and I have no other options. To me, that might as well be a monopoly since I, personally, do not care to play with fake players in fake stadiums with fake logos just as the high majority of the rest of the population doesn't want to play with fakes and would rather have the real deal.

[kbmnm247]

Quote: Originally Posted by roadman

It's a subjective opinion one way or the other. There are NFL players in it, right? To you case closed, I wouldn't expect anything else because you tried to closed off every opinion that someone countered with. I'm perfectly fine with your opinions, I just don't personally agree with them.

Also, the post you quoted had exactly 0 opinion in it. It was all facts. Just noticed that actually. The fact that you think it's an OPINION that the only NCAAF/NFL licensed games coming out this year are from EA makes me think I wasted a lot of time and typing in debates with you.

[Bullet Sponge]

Quote: Originally Posted by kbmnm247

I agree in fact, it is not a monopoly since other companies can make a football game (Backbreaker and APF2k8 for example). However, if I want an NFL or NCAA game, which let's be honest, that's what people want. They don't want to play with fake people for the most part, the casual gamer and especially the hardcore gamer want the real players they see on Saturday and Sunday. I'm sure you can admit that. That is what creates the "monopoly" (notice the quotes). It is effectively a monopoly. I can't think of any other situation in any other part of our country where a situation like this exists other than maybe Comcast, and, coincidentally, there are many similar feelings for EA/Comcast from their customers. The point remains, and it can't really be debated, that if I want to play the latest NFL or NCAA sports game on my Xbox 360, Wii, or PS3, it will come from EA sports and I have no other options. To me, that might as well be a monopoly since I, personally, do not care to play with fake players in fake stadiums with fake logos just as the high majority of the rest of the population doesn't want to play with fakes and would rather have the real deal.

Exactly. Let's just clear up this silly monopoly argument and call it what it is. EA has a monopoly on NFL and NCAA Football games. And those are what most everyone wants in a football game. If that doesn't amount to a football monopoly and isn't a big deal EA would not have paid out the hundreds of millions they did for it.

[bkrich83]

Quote: Originally Posted by kbmnm247

I agree in fact, it is not a monopoly since other companies can make a football game (Backbreaker and APF2k8 for example). However, if I want an NFL or NCAA game, which let's be honest, that's what people want. They don't want to play with fake people for the most part, the casual gamer and especially the hardcore gamer want the real players they see on Saturday and Sunday. I'm sure you can admit that. That is what creates the "monopoly" (notice the quotes). It is effectively a monopoly. I can't think of any other situation in any other part of our country where a situation like this exists other than maybe Comcast, and, coincidentally, there are many similar feelings for EA/Comcast from their customers. The point remains, and it can't really be debated, that if I want to play the latest NFL or NCAA sports game on my Xbox 360, Wii, or PS3, it will come from EA sports and I have no other options. To me, that might as well be a monopoly since I, personally, do not care to play with fake players in fake stadiums with fake logos just as the high majority of the rest of the population doesn't want to play with fakes and would rather have the real deal.

Exclusive licensing is a staple of the NFL Business plan. See their apparel deals, see direcTV, etc.

If you want to watch your team out of market you have to have DirecTV.. If you want to own licensed NFL apparel you have to buy whatever brand they have the deal with.

EA is along for the ride on this, and I don't think anyone likes it, but the NFL is far more to blame for this fiasco than EA. VC bid on the license and came up short, the rest is history. If you want to be mad, be mad at the league.

Similar story with the NCAA. Although slightly different since the TV deals are done by conference and in some cases teams, but they have a long history of exclusivity when it comes to their IP.

My understanding is VC didn't even bid on the NCAA license, buy my memory maybe fuzzy on that. I'll ask next time I talk to those guys.

[roadman]

Quote: Originally Posted by kbmnm247

Also, the post you quoted had exactly 0 opinion in it. It was all facts. Just noticed that actually. The fact that you think it's an OPINION that the only NCAAF/NFL licensed games coming out this year are from EA makes me think I wasted a lot of time and typing in debates with you.

Facts according to you.

I feel the same way.

When I quoted that, you didn't mention games coming out this year, did you? You keep adding on to your opinions to try make them facts. All througout this thread you said you only options were Madden/NCAA. I call you out on that statement and mention APF and then down the road you change your answer to "games coming out this year."

Plus, you said APF was your only other option in that post I quoted.

When I speak of you opinion on this, I'm referring to your whole opinion on DLC and defending against it, I just don't agree with it. That's all.

[bkrich83]

Quote: Originally Posted by Bullet Sponge

Exactly. Let's just clear up this silly monopoly argument and call it what it is. EA has a monopoly on NFL and NCAA Football games. And those are what most everyone wants in a football game. If that doesn't amount to a football monopoly and isn't a big deal EA would not have paid out the hundreds of millions they did for it.

Why is that EA's fault? Why are they the only ones that bear the blame?

[Solidice]

Quote: Originally Posted by bkrich83

My understanding is VC didn't even bid on the NCAA license, buy my memory maybe fuzzy on that. I'll ask next time I talk to those guys.

EA had the only NCAA FB game(expect maybe text based sims) at the time of the exclusive deal was made. It was around 2 years before that the last Sony or 2k college football game was made. so I doubt they even wanted to make a bid.