FBGRatings Seeks to Recalibrate Madden Ratings, Change Game

[LHSLax_D24]

Quote: Originally Posted by Playmakers

You should speed a day observing the speed ratings of some of your favorite LB's you'll see just how overated EA has most of them in the game every year.... In fact i'll tell you right if LB has great pursuit and play recognition skills he doesn't have to be 80+ speed to play fast on the field those ratings will take care of it

Exactly. Before it was removed, Ray Lewis had a 70 speed and London Fletcher had a 73 or something. I'd imagine that they would have VERY high pursuit ratings.

[TLF]

Quote: Originally Posted by LHSLax_D24

That is exactly what I'm saying...

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[DCEBB2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by TLF

the Ratings ALWAYS pissed me off.... i mean the Ratins are suppose to be Reflected of how good that player is at his position right? so AD and CJ have 99 acceleration because for a RB they have the highest of any but why in the world has Mike Vick never had a 99 speed??? he is after ALL the Fastest QB in NFL History , the only one to have over 1,000 yards rushing etc. and yet his speed never passed a 95 why is that no QB to this day could out run him and yet they never fixed it(i understand he is older now but still in his Prime since he was a QB and the Fastest Ever why didnt he have Ratings to Reflect it) should have gave him 99 Speed accel and Agility imo from his rookie year to Madden 07

Vick has never had a 99 speed because he has never been that fast. Is he the fastest QB in NFL history? Yes. But, that doesn't mean he is worthy of a 99 SPD rating. Since 1998 there have only been 2 QBs to be worth of a speed in the 90s based on the hard data. Vick and Reggie McNeal. Just because a guy plays QB and is the fastest at that position doesn't mean he is worthy of having a 99 SPD. Same goes for any other attribute at any other position.

[DCEBB2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by LHSLax_D24

Because the rating aren't reflected position-by-position, but rather as a whole. This means that if Vick were to have 99 speed, he would be just as fast as Chris Johnson, which he is not. Are you say that the fastest lineman should have 99 speed, because he is faster than all other linemen?

Well said! That is precisely the aim of the FBG ratings system; ratings based upon hard data regardless of position.

[DCEBB2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by TLF

so if i gave Oher 99 speed he would be as fast as CJ of the Titans , LIES... same if a gave a RB 99 strength i doubt he is as Strong as Haynesworth

The fact that Ht and Wt have no bearing on gameplay in Madden, means that if 2 players have the same ratings they will perform the same. Take a 5-5, 160lb Kicker and a 6-10, 400lb OT and rate them the same in every attribute category. They will perform the same in the game because the ratings determine the gameplay outcomes. That is why it is imperative to have ratings that make sense and are accurate, something which has not happened effectively in Madden since Madden 98 IMO.

[DCEBB2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by Playmakers

uhhhh maybe because he's assigning them their true numbers based on hard data provided and not the overated crap EA assigns I found a old EA roster file with Michael Irvin at 93 speed now ask yourself when has Michael Irvin ever ran that fast? The purpose of his site is to give guys their true atheletic attributes on the field if you want Vick to be 99 accross the board to satisfy your desires then by all means edit him in fact if you want the fastest player at each position to be 99 speed you can do it But i will say this with so many LB's now being rated at their proper speed, acceleration and agility Vick won't be caught from behind using these ratings even if's not a 99 speed You should spend a day observing the speed ratings of some of your favorite LB's you'll see just how overated EA has most of them in the game every year.... In fact i'll tell you right if LB has great pursuit and play recognition skills he doesn't have to be 80+ speed to play fast on the field those ratings will take care of it

That is precisely what I am doing. Using hard data for in-game results via the utilization of numbers and scouting reports TOGETHER to create ratings that effectively imitate player gameplay in Madden.

The example of LB speed ratings is great! That is why I had to do things this way. LBs that run in the 4.6s should not be able to run down RBs who run in the 4.4s. However, their utilization of other attributes like PRC, PUR, and ACC can allow them to be effective despite the deficiency in speed. In other words, EA has always used SPEED to negate or equalize player performance when in reality players can seem to "play faster" by being smarter, not necessarily more athletic.

[DCEBB2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by LHSLax_D24

Exactly. Before it was removed, Ray Lewis had a 70 speed and London Fletcher had a 73 or something. I'd imagine that they would have VERY high pursuit ratings.

Here is an example for those LBs based on my system:

Lewis:
SPD 67
PUR 84
BSH 99
FMV 72
MCV 66
ZCV 69
POW 95
PRC 97
TAK 93
CTH 50

Fletcher:
SPD 71
PUR 86
BSH 95
FMV 49
MCV 68
ZCV 71
POW 91
PRC 95
TAK 97
CTH 45

So based on these 2 LBs and the info provided, Fletcher is more athletic. He is faster, pursues better, is a more solid tackler, and a bit better in coverage. However, Lewis is more polished with technique. He gets off of blocks better, is a great pass rusher with his FMV, is a bigger hitter, recognizes plays better, and is a better receiver as a LB.

So now it makes it a game of "take your pick". Do you want the more athletic LB or the bigger hitter and pass rusher? That is why I love these ratings sooo much! It forces you to make those tough decisions on who to start in your games based upon the style you play.

[TLF]

Quote: Originally Posted by DCEBB2001

Vick has never had a 99 speed because he has never been that fast. Is he the fastest QB in NFL history? Yes. But, that doesn't mean he is worthy of a 99 SPD rating. Since 1998 there have only been 2 QBs to be worth of a speed in the 90s based on the hard data. Vick and Reggie McNeal. Just because a guy plays QB and is the fastest at that position doesn't mean he is worthy of having a 99 SPD. Same goes for any other attribute at any other position.

NO OFFENSE but anyone who has played Vick or seen him play in Action will telkl you he is the Fastest QB and that means his Rating should reflect that (they gave Hester a 100)

he ran a 4.27
CJ ran a 4.24 and Combine record


they should have gave it to him

just like id ONLY give Barry Sanders 100 Eulsiveness as a RB , only Vick deserves that Top Speed for a QB