NCAA Football 12 Video - Diving Catches and Bull Rushes

[Catamount53]

Quote: Originally Posted by booker21

how many times do you see that in a football game? 1? remember this.. in NCAA/Madden this animation will be a common as swing move.

I never said that I liked the animation. The fact that I can remember that play specifically shows how rare that is in real life.

They should have the DL pushing the OL back not just running him over like that.

[spankdatazz22]

The Good: Players look much more tethered to the ground than in the Zone video. Grass looks great.

The Bad: No variety to the bull-rush animation. As others have said, it's very rare you see a lineman put on his back that easily. Let alone the touch-and-he-falls-down way they're depicting it in the video.

This is part of where they're missing the boat on bringing so much more depth to the gameplay. If the player interaction was where it needs to be, you could have a dominant DL that needs double-teamed/commands additional attention and requires some effort be made on the offensive side of the ball. Which would boost the need recruit more wisely on both sides of the ball, place more emphasis on star players versus run-in-the-mill players, etc. Could just elevate the strategic element of the games so much more by making common sense improvements. It's really sad exclusivity has stagnated videogame football development to the point it has.

[carnalnirvana]

Quote: Originally Posted by roadman

Then, I guess you see what you see. Many other respected posters on the Madden side feel that is a bull rush. It's not just before Brees makes the pass, it's after Brees has the ball in the air. The DL continues pushing the OL back into the backfield. Isn't that considered a bull rush?

there is no right or wrong on this, its just a difference in opinions, and also different people are able to forgive different flaws/shortcomings in this game. i feel that the OL/DL play is cosmetic and not threatening in how it plays out, when i see the insta swim its time to scramble/check it down and now when my guy gets ran over same thing.

same for the WR/DB animations when the WR is doing those shimmy's/cuts not once have i seen a DB get faked or lose his balance or bite the hitch&go, its cosmetic.



not to mention any activity after the ball is out between the OL/DL is pointless/a penalty/a fight

it just too" tango like" (the dance) at the moment and these critisms are not aimed at EA or their efforts.

[roadman]

Quote: Originally Posted by carnalnirvana

there is no right or wrong on this, its just a difference in opinions, and also different people are able to forgive different flaws/shortcomings in this game. i feel that the OL/DL play is cosmetic and not threatening in how it plays out, when i see the insta swim its time to scramble/check it down and now when my guy gets ran over same thing. same for the WR/DB animations when the WR is doing those shimmy's/cuts not once have i seen a DB get faked or lose his balance or bite the hitch&go, its cosmetic. not to mention any activity after the ball is out between the OL/DL is pointless/a penalty/a fight it just too" tango like" (the dance) at the moment and these critisms are not aimed at EA or their efforts.

Understood, it's hard to tell even when slowed down for me.

Plus, I didn't mean the respected posters on the Madden side were more forgiving, these are hard core NFL fans that haven't purchased Madden in a long time.

Like you said, there is no right or wrong. To me, that was a bull rush, to others it's the same tango dance.

Actually, upon further notice, at the 47 sec mark Jared Allen is seen bull rushing the Lions LT to the outside and putting his arm up. Not the bull rush we saw in the NCAA video.

[OSUFANOKC]

This is just another lackluster addition to gameplay. If the EA devs are true football fans as they claim to be, then I'd like to know how they came up with this bullrushing animation. Bullrushes usually are nothing more than a DL driving the OL deep off of the ball causing major disruption in the backfield in pass or run plays alike. Domination from a bullrush isn't all that common anyway, maybe once or twice every 50+ snaps. Even more rare, is an OL being put on his butt. This happens maybe once every 500+ snaps. I would just like know why EA didn't just have two guys going at each other full speed while using proper techniques, i.e. swim, spin, bullrush, etc. for the MoCap. If so, I think I'd have a much more positive outlook at this addition to the game. JMHO.

[sportyguyfl31]

I like it.

could this be the year I can finally control a dominant defensive linman and cause big time problems, if im not accounted for?

[Palo20]

I don't like the bull rush animations. How often does an OLineman get pancaked? Not often.

The bull rush should simply be the defender pushing the OLineman into the pocket. Then as he gets closer to the QB, the defender is able to get around him. I don't want to see OLinemen getting pancaked every play.

[Palo20]

Quote: Originally Posted by sportyguyfl31

I like it. could this be the year I can finally control a dominant defensive linman and cause big time problems, if im not accounted for?

What option does the offense have to "account" for you? We can't manipulate double teams on passing plays and double teams on running plays are scheme based.

The offense needs better options on how to schematically block the best defensive players.