Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 12: The Masters Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here

[ShivasIrons]

Quote: Originally Posted by rangerrick012

To me it's no different. TW11 you still can zoom, adjust, zoom again, adjust, to your heart's content. It's not really that much of a difference, at least not as much as you're making it seem. The only way to make it really 'true aim' would be to take the option for zoom away entirely. But like I said, TW11 you can still zoom as much as you want. And you also are given the elevations instead of judging them yourself, which to me makes things a bit easier.

Ranger rick, ... Like I posted to Divotmaker a few pages back, fire up your TW11 demo, load TP True Aim, then prepare some shots with fade, draw, loft and do your zoom out thing.

Then, fire up TW12 demo, go to Tournament mode, ... zoom out, apply some draw, fade, loft. And, report back if you see any difference.

As far as "the only way" to make it really true aim ... As was also posted earlier, true aim could have been improved upon by giving one static map when zooming out that was not dependent on aim or club selected, but which showed gps info. This would be realistic as it would be like a regular gps device or good yardage book in real life.

All of this was posted and discussed above in the thread. And, here we are posting it again. Did you read the thread and the last 5-6 pages?

[Seymour Scagnetti]

Quote: Originally Posted by Rules

I've been reading the posts over there and the Devs haven't really responded to anything. I really don't like that as people need answers to make a sound decision. In my opinion their silence is deafening. Speaks volumes when you don't inform the public concerning one way or another. I personally take it as they don't care but that is just me.

I personally take it as they not going to patch out the caddie box and don't want to say so for fear of the backlash on the board and losing some sales. They will stay forever silent or vague about it to give you that small amount of false hope and figure you will take the plunge anyways because of Augusta which will be true for most gamers.

If they were going to patch it then they would have said so quickly on that thread to make everyone happy and get out Tuesday and spend that money.

[ShivasIrons]

Quote: Originally Posted by Rules

I've been reading the posts over there and the Devs haven't really responded to anything. I really don't like that as people need answers to make a sound decision. In my opinion their silence is deafening. Speaks volumes when you don't inform the public concerning one way or another. I personally take it as they don't care but that is just me.

Well, it's the weekend now. So, their silence over the weekend is expected. And, several of them did come into the forum there in the days after the demo hit, and that was a good thing to see. It'll be interesting to see if they continue to interact after the game hits this week. I'd guess that you'll see them in there.

But, from what I've seen there, they do have an uncanny ability pick and choose what they want to respond to. Usually, it something to promote the game or promote features in the game. It seems like certain topics that are related to real defects in the game they just completely ignore addressing those.

Like last year, they were sure to post to promote their DLC courses to get people to buy them. But, when there were defects such as a missing hole/pin on a hole on a course, they were just silent. They didn't fix it. There were no refunds. They just took your money and kept it without saying a word. Heck, they were probably laughing about all the suckers that they got to buy those.

[JayhawkerStL]

Quote: Originally Posted by rangerrick012

To me it's no different. TW11 you still can zoom, adjust, zoom again, adjust, to your heart's content. It's not really that much of a difference, at least not as much as you're making it seem. The only way to make it really 'true aim' would be to take the option for zoom away entirely. But like I said, TW11 you can still zoom as much as you want. And you also are given the elevations instead of judging them yourself, which to me makes things a bit easier.

Sure, but the camera view doesn't change based on your adjustments. al you get is a basic view of where it is going. It doesn't change when you add loft, fade, or draw. And it doesn't even change when you change clubs. TW 12 does this in the zoomed camera view.

Getting the elevations make it possible to make informed decisions. You know, that's why the caddy uses that information. But then they don't let the user have it when the Caddy is disabled. Why not use the new 3D grass swaying trees and flag at the pin to judge the wind, too?

[DivotMaker]

Quote: Originally Posted by ShivasIrons

You don't need to judge elevation when you zoom in for your shot? I have not seen that in the demo, but it's hard to tell as there is not a huge amount of elevation on the demo holes. I would be surprised if that is an accurate statement. And, that last statement is a heck of a thing to post to someone, who has only played the demo and is seeking more info. "Sorry you don't like TW12. See ya next year.". But, that certainly seems to accurately reflect the EA attitude.

No, you do not need to judge elevation when zoomed because the zoom takes you to a view of the landing area and whether you change clubs when Zoomed or not zoomed, the view will show you the changes in where the landing area will be.

As far as that last statement, it is NOT EA's attitude, it is MINE. An attitude and opinion I am entitled to. The user I was responding to said he prefers TW11 and does NOT like TW12. So what is your point other than to start an unnecessary argument or yet again another unnecessary personal comment? Either stick to the discussion or don't post. We don't need this kind of garbage here.

[DivotMaker]

Quote: Originally Posted by Seymour Scagnetti

I personally take it as they not going to patch out the caddie box and don't want to say so for fear of the backlash on the board and losing some sales. They will stay forever silent or vague about it to give you that small amount of false hope and figure you will take the plunge anyways because of Augusta which will be true for most gamers. If they were going to patch it then they would have said so quickly on that thread to make everyone happy and get out Tuesday and spend that money.

No. They are not and never have announced a patch before or right at launch for ANY version of TW. They prefer to wait for user feedback on the final version of the game before they determine BASED on FEEDBACK if and what they can/will patch. No need for a kneejerk reaction because contrary to what you and I think about the Caddy, there are quite a few users who do like the feature and if they don't, they are finding ways around it until or if a decision is made to patch the feature out of Tournament mode or if it actually CAN be patched out. At the very least, if they could patch out his suggestions and/or disable him altogether in Tournament mode, the return TrueAim to what it was in TW11, then I think you would have the most challenging and realistic scenario.

[ShivasIrons]

Quote: Originally Posted by DivotMaker

No, you do not need to judge elevation when zoomed because the zoom takes you to a view of the landing area and whether you change clubs when Zoomed or not zoomed, the view will show you the changes in where the landing area will be. As far as that last statement, it is NOT EA's attitude, it is MINE. An attitude and opinion I am entitled to. The user I was responding to said he prefers TW11 and does NOT like TW12. So what is your point other than to start an unnecessary argument or yet again another unnecessary personal comment? Either stick to the discussion or don't post. We don't need this kind of garbage here.

Hmm, ... I hope you are wrong on that comment about elevation. Or, like Seymour said that would sure be another huge arcade-like feature that would be a real dumbing down of the game, esp on the hardest level. I find it hard to believe that even EA would make elevation not relevant through use of the zoomed aiming. That's a new game feature that I haven't seen mentioned anywhere but here by you. You sure you don't have to move your zoomed landing area beyond the hole to take into account an uphill elevation shot? Typically, the more uphill elevation, the more you have to take into account elevation by moving your zoomed landing area further past the hole? You're sure that no matter the elevation change, you just put your zoomed aimed landing area on the flag?

What we do need here is accurate and objective info, not telling someone to not get the game and "see ya next year."

[Pared]

Quote: Originally Posted by ShivasIrons

What we do need here is accurate and objective info, not telling someone to not get the game and "see ya next year."

Cut the garbage out. You asked a question, he answered. Drop it. If you don't think his answer is objective, stop asking him questions.

Divot, not everyone is looking for what you're looking for in a game. Please be mindful of that if you're going to answer questions.