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destructocid · 03-04-2011, 02:30 PM

I can't believe people are actually defending 2k. This is a company that hasn't put out a quality baseball game since 2007. They then released 2k8 without even bothering to finish it. It seems each year 2k just changes the number on the box, from 2k8 to 2k9 to2k10. That's the biggest change from year to year. I feel 2k has simply coasted the last few years, putting almost zero effort or money into their product. I really feel like they're ripping their customers off, and that's not right. I'm not bashing 2k fans, I was a 2k fan, until 2k8. Idk, if some people enjoy the game, that's great. I just feel that 2k has been very deceptive and disingenuous. I a. A fan of the show now, but believe me, I would love nothing more than some serious competition. I would love to have to decide between two great games every year, but I don't see that happening anytime soon

Greene_Flash03 · 03-04-2011, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ericdrum


	Yeah I don't see how the Show is overwhelming at all. That game can be dumbed down as much as you want it to. I think I understand where Chris is coming from, but he could have chosen different words. At the end of the day for me... I know that the Show is "better", but you'll never convince me that it's more fun. For some reason I can play 2k for hours and can't play the Show for nearly as long. I'm buying both, but I can tell you right now... 2k will get double the hours.

You know what, I feel the same way. I've been playing The Show series since PS2 days, but after trying both demo I noticed I've been playing a lot of 2K11 than The Show. I can't explain it. I really do believe 2K11 has a 'hidden' fun factor.

Cryolemon · 03-04-2011, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DontHateOnNumber2


	Wouldn't Rule 5, waivers, etc. be more suited for Front Office Manager though?

Yeah, but that doesn't mean it should be in 2k11 too.

tinpanalley · 03-04-2011, 02:37 PM

So funny... I've always considered 2K Baseball to be WAY more sim in their options and overall reflection of the game than The Show and across the board I find them to be more accurate than anyone else, even than EA Sports. Fun games, but if there was ever a bastion of arcadey game play... "it's in the game". The only reason 2K's failed in the past to me is due to glaring gameplay issues and mechanics. But as a side by side comparison of the experience of watching real baseball on television, 2K always comes out on top. To ME. Not as a fact, as an opinion. It's not just about looking pretty, it's about playing a good game. I think there's also a little placebo/peer pressure on this The Show supremacy thing. There are a LOT of graphical issues with The Show that people don't mention because they're considered to be the kings of console baseball. Look how long it took people to go, "ok, fine, I admit, Madden does suck a bit". I predict that if 2K11 comes out swinging (sorry, couldn't resist), you'll see a larger percentage of people this year seeing them as at least equal if not giving the edge more to 2K this year. You already see it in the reviews, people talking about why The Show didn't do anything new.

Anyway. One man's opinion. To me Hardball 4 on the PC is still king.

jeffy777 · 03-04-2011, 02:44 PM

Good read guys, but I also have to disagree with Chris's comments about this being a game for casual fans. Yes, the graphics certainly are not as realistic as The Show, but beyond that I just don't see what would make this game more for casual gamers. Dont forget that the default demo difficulty is pretty low (there is way to put it on Hard if your on a 360 though.....and it makes a HUGE difference). The game is definitely going to be more challenging this year than previous years with the addition of variable strike zones, decreased pitching accuracy, more demanding fielding, etc. And the fact that we will actually have to worry about defensive substitutions in late innings is certainly not something the casual fan would be interested in. Then there's the beefed up injury system with reoccurring and nagging injuries.....Dynamic Player Ratings......I could go on......but my point is that I think this game will cater to both hardcore and casual fans, depending on the difficulty settings.

For me personally, I know I'm not a casual fan (I've been playing baseball games since the 80's) and I forsee myself really getting a lot out of this game.

acarrero · 03-04-2011, 02:55 PM

The Show was a great game...in 2006, it's the same game since, until they decided to copy 2K this year with analog controls. Bottom line is The Show sort of admitted 2K was ahead of them when it comes to gameplay.

vln13 · 03-04-2011, 03:22 PM

I'm with Chris all the way - I'm a Show guy who preordered both games because I am intrigued with the dynamic rosters and presentational elements. 2k11 is a very fun, more casual style game. It has a more easy, pick up and play style, and the controls make it a lot of fun. I have no problem with this, even if my passion is devoted to the more time-consuming, deep, true to life baseball of Sony's game.

ericdrum · 03-04-2011, 03:23 PM

I fear the day when we only have one choice.

03-04-2011, 03:23 PM	#16
ericdrum Rookie OVR: 2 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: SLC, Utah	Re: MLB 2K11 Demo Impressions Roundtable I fear the day when we only have one choice.

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03-04-2011, 02:30 PM	#9
destructocid Banned OVR: 3 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Austin, Texas	I can't believe people are actually defending 2k. This is a company that hasn't put out a quality baseball game since 2007. They then released 2k8 without even bothering to finish it. It seems each year 2k just changes the number on the box, from 2k8 to 2k9 to2k10. That's the biggest change from year to year. I feel 2k has simply coasted the last few years, putting almost zero effort or money into their product. I really feel like they're ripping their customers off, and that's not right. I'm not bashing 2k fans, I was a 2k fan, until 2k8. Idk, if some people enjoy the game, that's great. I just feel that 2k has been very deceptive and disingenuous. I a. A fan of the show now, but believe me, I would love nothing more than some serious competition. I would love to have to decide between two great games every year, but I don't see that happening anytime soon

03-04-2011, 02:37 PM	#12
tinpanalley MVP OVR: 10 Join Date: Apr 2006 Blog Entries: 2	So funny... I've always considered 2K Baseball to be WAY more sim in their options and overall reflection of the game than The Show and across the board I find them to be more accurate than anyone else, even than EA Sports. Fun games, but if there was ever a bastion of arcadey game play... "it's in the game". The only reason 2K's failed in the past to me is due to glaring gameplay issues and mechanics. But as a side by side comparison of the experience of watching real baseball on television, 2K always comes out on top. To ME. Not as a fact, as an opinion. It's not just about looking pretty, it's about playing a good game. I think there's also a little placebo/peer pressure on this The Show supremacy thing. There are a LOT of graphical issues with The Show that people don't mention because they're considered to be the kings of console baseball. Look how long it took people to go, "ok, fine, I admit, Madden does suck a bit". I predict that if 2K11 comes out swinging (sorry, couldn't resist), you'll see a larger percentage of people this year seeing them as at least equal if not giving the edge more to 2K this year. You already see it in the reviews, people talking about why The Show didn't do anything new. Anyway. One man's opinion. To me Hardball 4 on the PC is still king.

03-04-2011, 02:44 PM	#13
jeffy777 MVP OVR: 16 Join Date: Jan 2009	Good read guys, but I also have to disagree with Chris's comments about this being a game for casual fans. Yes, the graphics certainly are not as realistic as The Show, but beyond that I just don't see what would make this game more for casual gamers. Dont forget that the default demo difficulty is pretty low (there is way to put it on Hard if your on a 360 though.....and it makes a HUGE difference). The game is definitely going to be more challenging this year than previous years with the addition of variable strike zones, decreased pitching accuracy, more demanding fielding, etc. And the fact that we will actually have to worry about defensive substitutions in late innings is certainly not something the casual fan would be interested in. Then there's the beefed up injury system with reoccurring and nagging injuries.....Dynamic Player Ratings......I could go on......but my point is that I think this game will cater to both hardcore and casual fans, depending on the difficulty settings. For me personally, I know I'm not a casual fan (I've been playing baseball games since the 80's) and I forsee myself really getting a lot out of this game.

03-04-2011, 02:55 PM	#14
acarrero Pro OVR: 10 Join Date: Nov 2004	The Show was a great game...in 2006, it's the same game since, until they decided to copy 2K this year with analog controls. Bottom line is The Show sort of admitted 2K was ahead of them when it comes to gameplay.

03-04-2011, 03:22 PM	#15
vln13 Rookie OVR: 13 Join Date: Apr 2010 Blog Entries: 44	I'm with Chris all the way - I'm a Show guy who preordered both games because I am intrigued with the dynamic rosters and presentational elements. 2k11 is a very fun, more casual style game. It has a more easy, pick up and play style, and the controls make it a lot of fun. I have no problem with this, even if my passion is devoted to the more time-consuming, deep, true to life baseball of Sony's game.

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