MLB 11 The Show Video: St. Louis Cardinals vs. Chicago Cubs (Gameplay)

[emath]

Quote: Originally Posted by Black59Razr

The video showed a game time temperature of 90 degrees. Has anyone seen anything about this effecting ball flight?

I saw your post in the thread they closed. As a 36 year long Cub fan, I don't think temperature has anything to do with how the ball carries, per se (heard that said, never saw it spelled out. Don't know if it's right, but you get the point).

I think the fact is that when the weather starts to warm up, the wind tends to be blowing out, or more calm in general. Colder days the wind usually blows in off the lake.

Of course, cold weather tends to favor pitchers anyway (not just Wrigley).

Now, maybe that was the point you were trying to make, I don't know. I will say, it would be nice if things like that could be implemented into the game though.

[Greene_Flash03]

Quote: Originally Posted by Segagendude

I'm disappointed. Looks exactly like '10, complete with the same commentary. Don't see how this justifies another $60 from me. Oh well, just one man's opinion.......

Same here. I might keep The Show 10 and get 2K11 for my baseball fix this year..

Don't get me wrong, the game is STILL gorgeous. BUT commentary needs work (big deal for me) and the replay camera angles are from PS2 days (is it not?)

Another thing that I really like in 2k baseball that is not in The Show is that in 2k, pitchers have specific animations after the pitch. (Pitcher mannerism perhaps?) I can't really explain... it just looks organic..

[K_GUN]

Quote: Originally Posted by emath

I saw your post in the thread they closed. As a 36 year long Cub fan, I don't think temperature has anything to do with how the ball carries, per se (heard that said, never saw it spelled out. Don't know if it's right, but you get the point).

actually it does

cold air is very dense...warm air is not

on a 45 degree day...a baseball that travels 400 feet would actually travel 420 feet on a 95 degree day.

[SeerMagicX]

Quote: Originally Posted by Joey

Your statements make no sense to me. So you've been playing the series for 10 years and say it's boring, analog controls and custom cameras are no good, blah, blah, blah, not enough to get you to come back. Analog controls (for this series) apparently aren't groundbreaking enough for you to purchase this year's game (although that certainly isn't the only new or improved feature) so I have to ask...What were the big features that brought you back the other 9 years?

Maybe boring was the wrong word, stale would be better. Well first 5 years or so were great, though I did play high heat aswell. Things really changed when 2k8 came out, post patch that game was awesome. Pitching & hitting was so much fun, and fielding had a good feel too. After that it was really hard to play the show, with only RTTS getting playing time. Reason I keep getting them year after year now is hoping the new features are enough. So far they havn't been and I usually sale the game after a few months. But they have been the only option as 2k games have been broken in one way or another.

I'll hold final judgment after playing the demo, but the new controls are hardly groundbreaking. The analog pitching looks EXACTLY like rock n fire pitching from NCAA 06.. EXACTLY the same. It was cool at first, but it got old fast in NCAA. Hitting seems to borrow heavily from 2k8, which is fine because I really enjoyed it. However, if it's like last year's game where dice rolls determine what you do instead of how you hit the ball, it won't matter.

[Golds]

Quote: Originally Posted by jestep123

Absolutely 100% agree. Not a game killer but kind of annoying and again, it seems a little sloppy and this brings up a point. I agree with Knight about being level headed however, to me, that also means that no matter how much you love the series you have to remove bias. We ALL know this is the best baseball game out there. SCEA fans know it, 2k fans know it, EA fans know it, my momma knows it...lol, but just because it is already highly regarded and acclaimed doesnt mean it should get a free pass. Sometimes I think this game is its own worst enemy. The VAST majority of this game is so well done. Because of that, when you hear commetary like this and you see disjointed cut scenes that force you to play the game another way to avoid them, it really does make you scratch your head a little bit. I am sorry,I dont want to say it because I love the game and want it to be the best, but some things in the game look sloppy. I think they get overlooked or brushed aside alot because of the overall package but they are still there. Not only that, they arent game killers but at least the two things I mentioned here arent exactly minor either. There are critical responses on here and some of them are a little over the top, but some of them are on the screws with regard to at least raising an eyebrow toward being concerned.

I think sometimes, especially the people on this forum, forget that we are talking about video games. The complaints and insane requests that are regularly found on these forums have somehow, at some point, become the guidelines or absolute requirements for games and developers to follow. The only game that would score a 10/10 rating on this site from all the "hardcore" or "sim" (I hate that word) gamers would involve...commentary including literally millions of lines of script so the same comment wouldnt be heard unless you play the game for 10 years; every shoe, cleat, arm band, head band, sock, sock length, and brace manufactured over the past 5 years; motion capture of every single baseball player by that player to represent the exact stance down to an inch; physics formulas to determine wind, moisture, heat, dirt particle contact..... to allow God-like programming for stadiums; and to sugar coat it, a B-job for buying the game.....

[jestep123]

Quote: Originally Posted by Golds

I think sometimes, especially the people on this forum, forget that we are talking about video games. The complaints and insane requests that are regularly found on these forums have somehow, at some point, become the guidelines or absolute requirements for games and developers to follow. The only game that would score a 10/10 rating on this site from all the "hardcore" or "sim" (I hate that word) gamers would involve...commentary including literally millions of lines of script so the same comment wouldnt be heard unless you play the game for 10 years; every shoe, cleat, arm band, head band, sock, sock length, and brace manufactured over the past 5 years; motion capture of every single baseball player by that player to represent the exact stance down to an inch; physics formulas to determine wind, moisture, heat, dirt particle contact..... to allow God-like programming for stadiums; and to sugar coat it, a B-job for buying the game.....

Like I said before, some of the comments here are over the top.

The only thing being said here by me and other folks is that there were some legit issues with last years game, that were issues the year before and the year before that and so on. I for one, made it clear what I was talking about. I totally agree with you about the accessory things that people get all steamed about but, at least for now. in this thread, that isnt what we are talking about.

You can really see staunch defenders of this game throughout this thread. There is no problem with that, in normal circles, I am one of those. That said, you cant lump out of sequence cut scenes and average commentary in with obsessing about accessories and the right color socks and make everyone who has a point to make that may not be exactly what others want to hear, out ot be the same kind of crazy.

I dont think anyone has forgotten about that we are talking about video games, which outside of a disk case and instruction manual are not real life.

You know what else is real though? The time that you have to work to make the $65 to pay for the product. If Sony gave away free product, nobody on this board or any other would have the right to say a word, until that day comes though, even those crazy OCD'ers that complain about who has eye blak and who doesnt have a right to do so because we are talking about real money they are handing over.

[Black59Razr]

Quote: Originally Posted by Golds

I think sometimes, especially the people on this forum, forget that we are talking about video games. The complaints and insane requests that are regularly found on these forums have somehow, at some point, become the guidelines or absolute requirements for games and developers to follow. The only game that would score a 10/10 rating on this site from all the "hardcore" or "sim" (I hate that word) gamers would involve...commentary including literally millions of lines of script so the same comment wouldnt be heard unless you play the game for 10 years; every shoe, cleat, arm band, head band, sock, sock length, and brace manufactured over the past 5 years; motion capture of every single baseball player by that player to represent the exact stance down to an inch; physics formulas to determine wind, moisture, heat, dirt particle contact..... to allow God-like programming for stadiums; and to sugar coat it, a B-job for buying the game.....

Holding industry leaders accountable to produce impossible expectations is not fair? Probably not, but its what happens. Refusing to give a 10/10 score is not nice? Even though I may give 11 The Show a 9/10 score, I would still be willing to pay $300+ for the game. Will I thank them for making a great game? YES! Will I lower my future expectation, therefore slowing innovation? NO! So keep the posts coming about wrong sock colors. Those expectations are what fuel innovation!

[Heroesandvillains]

Quote: Originally Posted by Knight165

I don't know if heat does or not. Actually, I'm not sure what park effects are in place except for wind. On the video and some of the posts. There are the obvious posters who aren't interested in The Show and were just waiting for a gameplay vid to drop and were salivating to post on the commentary or anything they could grasp on negatively. It's expected....they are there(not the same guys in particular...but "that type") every single year. Then you have the OCD guys.....who just HAVE TO focus on one thing and will never really be happy about it. Then the "homers"....who would love anything. Weed them out and listen to the level headed guys....and you'll have an idea of what this game is about. The amount of complete B.S. and nonsense this year however really surprises me....hmmm...maybe not. But...we're gonna need more WHAAAMBULANCES....STAT! M.K. Knight165

"Whaaambulances," "mouch" (half man, half couch!!! My personal favorite)...

I'm gonna start documenting your take on the English language. Soon enough, we'll have one pretty funny vernacular.

Knight-isms aside, I think there is a lot to get pumped about overall from this video. The improvements are very apparent from this clip (which is why I assume this video made the cut...it has infield/outfield miscues, a WGN pitching view, beautiful Wrigley, a strike out of the side, a final at-bat with the game on the line with Pujols at the dish)...but I really like your idea of the CPU vs. CPU footage. Though, I can understand how a video like that could alienate some potential or on the cusp buyers...the ones NEEDING to see the new controls in action.

I also don't think it's common knowledge, even amoungst hardcore fans, that ANYTHING the CPU can do, the Users can do...which they can.