To EA and Madden Consumers, Madden Is a Success

[dickey1331]

Quote: Originally Posted by aholbert32

"I'm gonna play the oldies" always cracks me up. Really? You prefer Tecmo Super Bowl over Madden 11? Really? I love Tecmo Super Bowl. I love some of the old Madden's but come on. For all the things you complain about Madden, the older games had none of them. Tecmo had 8 plays per team. 8 plays! That game was fun as hell back in the day but today it pales in comparison. The problem is back in the day we gave games a pass because they were fun. People ignored Tecmo Super Bowl's issues because it was fun. We dont give current games that kind of pass. We expect them to be supersims and get upset when they have flaws. I have a ton of issues with Madden 11 (Special Teams sucks, Broken Gameplanning, Penalties like offsides and PI still broken) and many of these have been issues for years. The reason I'm able to ignore it is because I'm willing to give it the same pass I gave games like Tecmo in the past. I dont know how anyone could enjoy Tecmo today but hate Madden unless they were holding them to a different standard.

Great post. We always remember older games as being great because we were younger and just wanted to have fun. Is Madden perfect? No but I think its fun and thats all I want out of a video game. I dont care if its Madden, COD or Batman. I just want a fun video game.

[ManiacMatt1782]

Quote: Originally Posted by aholbert32

"I'm gonna play the oldies" always cracks me up. Really? You prefer Tecmo Super Bowl over Madden 11? Really? I love Tecmo Super Bowl. I love some of the old Madden's but come on. For all the things you complain about Madden, the older games had none of them. Tecmo had 8 plays per team. 8 plays! That game was fun as hell back in the day but today it pales in comparison. The problem is back in the day we gave games a pass because they were fun. People ignored Tecmo Super Bowl's issues because it was fun. We dont give current games that kind of pass. We expect them to be supersims and get upset when they have flaws. I have a ton of issues with Madden 11 (Special Teams sucks, Broken Gameplanning, Penalties like offsides and PI still broken) and many of these have been issues for years. The reason I'm able to ignore it is because I'm willing to give it the same pass I gave games like Tecmo in the past. I dont know how anyone could enjoy Tecmo today but hate Madden unless they were holding them to a different standard.

I agree with you to an extent. The guys who claim tecmo is more sim than madden are grossly exaggerating, however, we as gamers feel a certain kind of way about ea, when the same complaints every year come up. Poor line ai. Suction blocking, defenders who just know the receivers route and cut before the receivers do. And then a guy like Ian Cummings, who no doubt is working hard, but just tells us things we want to hear as far as gameplay fixes go, and really just focus on "back of the box" features like ultimate team. We gamers want the game play fixed first, then give us that extra stuff. We know the tech is there for ea to fix the game. It's up to them to use it and win back more fans.

[LiquorLogic]

Quote: Originally Posted by MMChrisS

Of course, one could make a very compelling argument that the more realistic a game, the better it will eventually sell given the success of titles like NBA 2K and The Show compared to their Peers.

Exactly, NBA 2k and the Show kill the argument that the bulk of Madden's audience are "casual" gamers who could care less about the details. For one, all the people lining outside of gamestop at release aren't casual gamers. They're NFL fans that have to have a football game. People want realism, and that fact is proven with by publishers, and developers, who keep trying to deliver more and more realism to get a leg up on their competitors.

NBA Elite was going to be basketball's version of Madden. It was arcadey, unrealistic, unpolished, and you know what else ? It was cancelled.

There could be two reasons as to why Madden has been mediocre. EA has no competitors, so they just put out anything and people will buy it, or, the sources that say Madden sales are slipping, and EA is leaking oil financially, are correct, and EA simply can't increase the development budget for Madden.

[b22gamer]

Did anyone else here enjoy NFL Blitz 2000 more than Madden 06-11? Man, that game was FUN.....

The sad part about all of this is, EA KNOWS the game is terrible. They make it! But what do they care. They are still collecting off casual gamers, all the moms and dads that buy the game for their young ones who dont seem to care about (or understand) the major flaws of this so-called "sim" game, AND my favorite...PRODUCT PLACEMENT. C'mon, really?? You call that presentation??? We all know EA has the money to strip this game to the bare bones and build it from the bottom up, but why would they? If someone makes a billion dollars a year, whats the desire to make 2 billion? you're still filthy rich....The only way EA would take a hint is if their sales numbers dropped considerably, but it will never happen because I feel the average game outweighs the hardcore gamer by a large ratio. Madden 12 better have some huge upgrades, but, by the looks of that "surprise onside kick vid" It looks like another disappointing year for hardcore football sim gamers......

[Rocky]

Quote: Originally Posted by dickey1331

Great post. We always remember older games as being great because we were younger and just wanted to have fun. Is Madden perfect? No but I think its fun and thats all I want out of a video game. I dont care if its Madden, COD or Batman. I just want a fun video game.

Maybe not Tecmo, but there is still a fairly large contigent of people that play Last Gen Madden/NFL2K5 and I can see why. Last gen Madden's fluidity, animations, feature set, and controls are arguably better than it's newer counterpart. In fact, you can make the argument that last gen is better in every aspect besides graphics and playbooks.

[GlennN]

I'm in the minority here that is playing Madden 11 and having a lot of fun with it. To me, it's the best football game I've played since 2k5. Granted, I have not bought Madden every year, since improvements seem incremental, but this year, to me, is a good one.

[khaliib]

Quote: Originally Posted by LiquorLogic

NBA Elite was going to be basketball's version of Madden. It was arcadey, unrealistic, unpolished, and you know what else, it was cancelled.

Ooch!!!
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[SA1NT401]

The only succes Madden has achieved in my eyes....Is draw more casuals and give the faithful just another copy and pasted version of a once great franchise.

If the trend continues, and it will, then all madden is gonna become is just another game before it eventually just goes away, and at this point, wouldnt be a bad thing. The NFL really needs to look at the product and realize its not what should be representing the NFL....Its just not worthy in any way, shape or form....

The NFL itself pushes innovation in the actual sport, its constantly evolving. Why does the NFL want a game that does neither of those?

I have just HAD IT with the entire franchise as it is now. Its a shallow game and barely even where it should be at this stage. Visually it looks decent, but it plays and feels like a game thats 10 yrs old.