Madden NFL Designers Podcast #3

[Ian_Cummings]

Quote: Originally Posted by moylan

All due respect to the devs, but I'm confused by all of this would you rather have people lie and say everything is roses?

Yep, exactly what we want.

I wouldn't mind a Christmas card either.

[BlueNGold]

Quote: Originally Posted by moylan

All due respect to the devs, but I'm confused by all of this would you rather have people lie and say everything is roses?

I don't think it has anything to do with that.

It has everything to do with the fact that a ton of people in this thread were ready to write Madden 12 off because 1 person made a ridiculous statement that there would be no changes to franchise mode from what they gathered out of the podcast or something like that.

When you get crap like that, I can see why Ian gets pissed. At the same time though, every game deals with people like this. Just look at NBA 2K11. The best basketball game ever, but there are still plenty of people that are ready to pounce on it. Not as bad as some of the people in the Madden community, sure, but my point is it's just the nature of forums. I'd hate to see these podcasts get cancelled because of that, but it's up to the people doing them.

[moylan1234]

Quote: Originally Posted by BlueNGold

It has everything to do with the fact that a ton of people in this thread were ready to write Madden 12 off because 1 person made a ridiculous statement that there would be no changes to franchise mode from what they gathered out of the podcast or something like that.

I don't think anyone rushed to judgement based solely on this podcast though. it's just the latest thing to come out. people are frustrated by what they see as a lack of progress with the game. again i'm just confused as to why the podcast is taking all the heat here.

[BlueNGold]

Quote: Originally Posted by moylan

I don't think anyone rushed to judgement based solely on this podcast though. it's just the latest thing to come out. people are frustrated by what they see as a lack of progress with the game. again i'm just confused as to why the podcast is taking all the heat here.

Well talking about a "lack of progress" in a thread about this podcast, which like Ian and others have said they can't go into detail about Madden 12, makes no sense to me.

Why not wait until some info about next year's game comes out or use the other Madden 11 threads to talk about a "lack of progress"?

[moylan1234]

Quote: Originally Posted by BlueNGold

Well talking about a "lack of progress" in a thread about this podcast, which like Ian and others have said they can't go into detail about Madden 12, makes no sense to me. Why not wait until some info about next year's game comes out or use the other Madden 11 threads to talk about a "lack of progress"?

again it's just the latest thing to come out and they're combining what they heard or didn't hear in the podcast with the last 4 or 5 installments of the game and yes I agree they're getting ahead of themselves, but that's kind of par for the course around here

[roadman]

Quote: Originally Posted by moylan;2041929648it's j

people are frustrated by what they see as a lack of progress with the game.

And that there is the rub.

Like Blue n Gold, I'm wondering why the frustration levels are high in December for a game that comes out next August with podcast that give you little to no information.

[kjcheezhead]

Quote: Originally Posted by Ian_Cummings_EA

Some responses / questions... - WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT SPECIFIC FEATURES FOR MADDEN 12. You hopefully know that by now. Quotes like "Taken together, however, I see them very carefully attempting to set expectations." are just wrong. IT IS DECEMBER, WE HAVE TO BE CRYPTIC. If you are the type of guy that is going to get fired up about not enough talk about specific improvements, then I suggest you don't listen to the podcast. - Nowhere in the podcast are we saying it's going to take multiple years for you to see any improvements, or that 12 won't have any. See point above, and I can say we have been working on Franchise improvements for some time now. - "And as far as that "cant make drastic improvements in one cycle" BS....". Where did we ever say that? I 100% believe that drastic improvements can be made in one cycle. - "I guess after these podcasts, it just looks to me like Madden isn't gonna be a game I'm gonna ever like on these consoles." Does that statement seem a little ridiculous to anyone else? After a podcast that discusses ZERO REAL FEATURE ADDITIONS you aren't going to like Madden, EVER? I always hoped that this forum would eventually be a great place for feedback and ways to improve the game, not the sensationalist extremism that it can quickly descends into. - There is nothing more frustrating to me than people not actually listening to the podcast but jumping on the opinion bandwagon of another. Please guys, we are spending the time planning and recording these SPECIFICALLY for the Madden community...you could at least give us the respect of listening to it and forming an opinion of your own. Maybe we should just stop doing these for a while if too many people aren't able to cope with the lack of real information and turn that into a negative thing. That's not what we want out of these at all...we just want to give people a behind the scenes look at the development process and decision making. Thoughts?

This quote is from a post of mine. I'm not making the assumption based on the podcasts alone, I'm basing it on my disappointment in 09-11 along with what I am attempting to "read between the lines". I used to be a year round Madden player, I traded my used copy of 11 in back in September.

I think podcast #2 you posted you weren't "gung ho" about adding things like individual bump/run and shading and teired play calling.

This podcast hints that online franchise has also been put on the back burner a bit.

Added together, I've already gotten enough of an idea that only my love of football gaming makes me bother following this game at all.

To put it simply, if you are considering stopping the podcasts because of posts like mine please don't. I probably wasn't going to like what I was going to hear no matter what you said. No point in denying the madden fans you do have in order the please disenchanted ones like me. I just won't post on them anymore.

[tlc12576]

Quote: Originally Posted by BlueNGold

Well talking about a "lack of progress" in a thread about this podcast, which like Ian and others have said they can't go into detail about Madden 12, makes no sense to me. Why not wait until some info about next year's game comes out or use the other Madden 11 threads to talk about a "lack of progress"?

That is a great point.

Ok, so Ian, what would be some possible problems with adding more simple options like hiding ratings? I know that is a minority request but you guys said it was really simple to add. I think a large number of people would be interested in only displaying things they want to know. I am sure you guys have heard alot about some people wanting to hide player potential.

Also, what possible problems might come from adding audio user customization, so we can add our own stadium music, team chants, etc.