Fight Night Round 5 Wishlist: The Changes That Need To Be Made (TrueGameHeadz)

[rickmitchell22]

Not that I don't want great/improved presenation, but I'm really puzzled by anyone who doesn't think the gameplay still need to be greatly improved. They still have ways to go just to fully capture the in ring sport of boxing, the meat and potatos. FNR4 was step 1 away from the horrible joke of a boxing game previous Fight Night's were supposed to be.

[koolbubbaice]

Quote: Originally Posted by rickmitchell22

Not that I don't want great/improved presenation, but I'm really puzzled by anyone who doesn't think the gameplay still need to be greatly improved. They still have ways to go just to fully capture the in ring sport of boxing, the meat and potatos. FNR4 was step 1 away from the horrible joke of a boxing game previous Fight Night's were supposed to be.

Yeah.. Why are boxing fans so much into the glitch.. Gives me a bare bones game with a great foundation like MMA, & I'll be happy. I was a huge boxing fan from 86-2000.. I see a lot wrong with boxing games.. Foot work & collision detetection being the main culprit.. & too generic animations.. Every boxer should have their own animations like 2K11. I bought 4 when it came out & didn't like it.. I bought it again last week & really think it's a good game.. What was the update I was forced to down load.. I had to great fights..

I was Hearns fighting Pernal.. Reminded me of Chavez Vs Taylor.. Pernal was winning every round but my punches was doing more damage, to the point his right eye was so bad the fight was stopped during the 8th round. I only won 1 round..

Tyson Vs Morrison.

I had Morrison down twice early in the first due two well timed counter left hooks.. But after that, it was like the AI learned & adapted, & started fighhting more on the outside & to Tommys strengths, using Tommys superior reach.. & the counter window was smaller, & I was missing more.. Morrison still fought on the inside but was smarter.. & he stunned me 3 times during rounds 2-3.. In the 4th round I finally put him out with a right hand.. He was KO'ed.. A very thrilling match..

I think 4 is doable with slider tweaks.. Stamina does effect how many times a fighter gets up..& it does work..

2nd time around I'm really enjoying it.. & the Haymaker isn't a gimme.. I do think the developers missed the mark by a mile in terms of suspense.. After a fight.. This is beyond bad. If this isn't in the new game it will be a automatic fail for me. That is the essence of boxing.. You take away the intrige & tension. Also add a recap as to why fighter A beat fighter B. The announcer should declare the fight a unanimous DEC, Majority, split, or draw.. & read all the score cards.. Give the judges names.. & There should be tons of Judges.. Some who favor aggression, some might be swayed by the home town fighter.. & I'd love to include the WBC/WBA/IBF/WBO.. Make it legit..

1 punch KO's are welcomed.. Just please have a slider for this.. This is a great feature, as shown by UFC, albeit, way over blown.. But winning by KO/ losing by KO with the first punch landed is a WTF moment.. & should happen.. But VERY rare..

[Money99]

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There should be tons of Judges.. Some who favor aggression, some might be swayed by the home town fighter.. & I'd love to include the WBC/WBA/IBF/WBO.. Make it legit..

EA MMA had different judges personalities and from what I've read it works really well. I hope FNC adopts this.

Regarding the real organizations, it probably won't even happen with the current team.
When I was at EAC two years ago, Brizzo told a few of us that he will never give any of the alphabet soup groups a dime.
He felt (and I agree) that these organizations have helped erode the sport of boxing with it's watered down champions.
That's why they created 3 fake belts. They wanted the game realistic so that's why they had more than one belt. But he was pretty determined to not add the real groups.
It could change down the road, but right now, I don't think it will.

[koolbubbaice]

Quote: Originally Posted by Money99

EA MMA had different judges personalities and from what I've read it works really well. I hope FNC adopts this. Regarding the real organizations, it probably won't even happen with the current team. When I was at EAC two years ago, Brizzo told a few of us that he will never give any of the alphabet soup groups a dime. He felt (and I agree) that these organizations have helped erode the sport of boxing with it's watered down champions. That's why they created 3 fake belts. They wanted the game realistic so that's why they had more than one belt. But he was pretty determined to not add the real groups. It could change down the road, but right now, I don't think it will.

Yes, the various groups have.. But they are a part of boxing, & is more realistic.. I'd rather be the IBF champion.. Then some generic EA created title belt..

I do find it funny that he belittles the alphabet soup groups, but will spend a lot more to include a convicted rapist, & a person who bites ears off, & talks about eating a opponents child... & one who said he wanted to land a upper cut to Jesse Furgeson that would push his nose bone into his brains..

[bbarr43]

I feel like I'm every boxing enthusiast when I say I agree with the official rankings and groups, IBF, WBO, WBF, WWF, UFC, UHF, HBO, Showtime, whatever is real needs to be in the game. Look at the NFL and Madden, licensing means something to gamers. NBA2K11, as great as it is, would be toast with no NBA. Sorry EA, but how many times have I wanted to play a sports game as an EA squad? An EA Title just doesn't carry weight to boxing or it's relevant sport. What if I played Madden, and you called the last game an EA Bowl, not Superbowl? No offense, but a sport is tied to its sponsors and licenses, and folks identify it that way in the gaming world. When I saw a game like HBO Boxing it had appeal. We want the full package!

I really hope the Career ranking system will be truly smart this year. Like seeing guys with records truly worthy of climbing the ladders. I don't want to fight a rival opponent or top 10 guy with a 10-18-4 record. I want to get in the top 10 and see guys with under 4-5 losses and make a premier fight mean something. Maybe even a big fight buildup where your opponent will retire based on this last opportunity to climb into title contention or be his last hurrah. When I fight a champ, he needs to almost always be undefeated, maybe 1 loss. It needs to feel like this guy has been around for a while, but I'm the one to take him out!

Bring in Sports Illustrated, newspapers, press conferences, photos, post fight replays, magazine covers, etc. I would like to see a separation of fighters in Career mode also. Have a Legends Career mode, where you have the option to face Ali, Foreman, the greats, etc. Have a Time Period career mode, where you face generics and champs only from 40s - 50s, 50s - 60s, 60s - 70s, 70s - 80s era. Have a Modern career mode, where you face generics and only fighters from today. Make fighter degradation over time really force you into retirement, and have the media, commentators and press discuss this as your fighter ages. Upon retirement, bring out a lengthy career highlights presentation with videos and photos ending with credits like Super TecmoBowl and NFL2k5 did after winning the Super Bowl. It's brings a true sense of accomplishment.. I'm out!

[SHAKYR]

Quote: Originally Posted by bbarr43

I feel like I'm every boxing enthusiast when I say I agree with the official rankings and groups, IBF, WBO, WBF, WWF, UFC, UHF, HBO, Showtime, whatever is real needs to be in the game. Look at the NFL and Madden, licensing means something to gamers. NBA2K11, as great as it is, would be toast with no NBA. Sorry EA, but how many times have I wanted to play a sports game as an EA squad? An EA Title just doesn't carry weight to boxing or it's relevant sport. What if I played Madden, and you called the last game an EA Bowl, not Superbowl? No offense, but a sport is tied to its sponsors and licenses, and folks identify it that way in the gaming world. When I saw a game like HBO Boxing it had appeal. We want the full package! I really hope the Career ranking system will be truly smart this year. Like seeing guys with records truly worthy of climbing the ladders. I don't want to fight a rival opponent or top 10 guy with a 10-18-4 record. I want to get in the top 10 and see guys with under 4-5 losses and make a premier fight mean something. Maybe even a big fight buildup where your opponent will retire based on this last opportunity to climb into title contention or be his last hurrah. When I fight a champ, he needs to almost always be undefeated, maybe 1 loss. It needs to feel like this guy has been around for a while, but I'm the one to take him out! Bring in Sports Illustrated, newspapers, press conferences, photos, post fight replays, magazine covers, etc. I would like to see a separation of fighters in Career mode also. Have a Legends Career mode, where you have the option to face Ali, Foreman, the greats, etc. Have a Time Period career mode, where you face generics and champs only from 40s - 50s, 50s - 60s, 60s - 70s, 70s - 80s era. Have a Modern career mode, where you face generics and only fighters from today. Make fighter degradation over time really force you into retirement, and have the media, commentators and press discuss this as your fighter ages. Upon retirement, bring out a lengthy career highlights presentation with videos and photos ending with credits like Super TecmoBowl and NFL2k5 did after winning the Super Bowl. It's brings a true sense of accomplishment.. I'm out!

your post is so similar to the ones I have been posting for years all over the internet.

[bbarr43]

Haha, we are on the same page then, my man! I know we aren't the only ones out there.. It feels like I have been waiting a lifetime for you know, the boxing game that should have existed a long time ago... in a galaxy, far, far away... lol I've been waiting to see a smart boxing career manager sim with graphics since the 80's dude. Honestly, I really thought the PC would have been the one to do this.. We need the Sierra Football Pro of Boxing!

[SHAKYR]

Quote: Originally Posted by bbarr43

Haha, we are on the same page then, my man! I know we aren't the only ones out there.. It feels like I have been waiting a lifetime for you know, the boxing game that should have existed a long time ago... in a galaxy, far, far away... lol I've been waiting to see a smart boxing career manager sim with graphics since the 80's dude. Honestly, I really thought the PC would have been the one to do this.. We need the Sierra Football Pro of Boxing!

If you saw that large wishlist we sent the producers with reaism in mind. You would be excited! I would be happy with 75% of it.

Here are some ideas the producers have seen.
The Ultimate Manager/Promoter Mode Online and Off
http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/list/319156.page

Should EA add trainer and boxer chemistry?
http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/list/362651.page

add all weight classes in fnr 5 (catch weight options)
http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/list/533399.page

Tendencies,capabilities,and attributes EA please use them in the next game
http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/list/1062262.page

Some ideas I got from old game and mixed them with mines.


Manager Mode
should let players take control of their own stable of boxers. You should be able to take your boxers all the way to the top and win world championship belts of all three Organizations. You start out with a small team of talented boxers or boxers that may have potential. You will have to hire trainers who will train your boxers, sign on new up-and-comers from a pool of boxers. You should be able to set up bouts and determine tactics and techniques before and during the events. You should have boxers wanting to be part of your stable if you are successful in getting good fights and getting titles fights for your boxers.
A managers should always pay attention to his finances: does he have the money to take on better a staff in order to improve training? Can he promote his boxing events with TV ads, drawing crowds and earning big bucks, or will he have to make do with a small note in the local papers?


****Contract negotiations with boxers from around the world
Search for and train upcoming talents
Management of finances and staff



***Gyms-Gyms with different strengths

Media Huds- TV Stations(Name, Style, Patience, MMA Stance, Range, MMA Shows, Expand shows, extend Show), PPV Carriers(Name,Size, Range, Client,PPV Split), TV Shows(Name,Promotion, Current Contracts, Contract Status, Show Time, Cost Split, Revenue Spilit, Recent Rating)

Promotional companies- Create promotional companies and Ranking for promotional companies

This definitely will bring longevity to the game.
There Should be Manager Creator

You should be able to choose your manager name, his nationality, his age and his starting skills.
The manager's age should reflects his experience in the field and savings: a young manager should start with few boxers and cash, but have a longer career, while an older one should have more starting boxers and cash but a shorter career.
You should be able to assign skills to a manager.

Your income should be mostly made up of fight purses and sponsorships, popular boxers will make a little bit from their fan clubs. You should or could have various miscellaneous income, usually through an anonymous donation. Expenditures are mostly with your training equipment, doctors, and the fighter's share of purses, although there is miscellaneous expense as well.



Advertising

In advertising all you should be able to cycle through your fighter's names and see if anyone has offered them a sponsorship each month. If one is offered take it without trying to get a better offer, even if it's low money and low months. By the time you get another offer you'll have missed out on whatever money was already offered. If a boxer has a advertising deal going already, he won't be able to get another until the current one expires. The more popular the boxer, the more offers he'll get. Add your negotiating skill and hopefully you'll be getting good prices as well. Sponsorship is a beautiful supplement to the purses you'll be getting and can sometimes hold you over when you have fewer fights going from month to month.

Stealing a boxer from a rival manager can be very lucrative and gain you an easy champion. When you're comfortable in the rankings screen, you can spend some time finding out which boxers are really good but ranked lower than they deserve. Some of them haven't fought their way to the top, so you might find an excellent boxer ranked pretty low and save yourself a lot of training time. Once you pick a couple good targets, you can search for them according to the skills that you had observed. It usually takes a long contract and a higher percentage than with a free agent, but if you immediately start earning good money for fights, it's well worth it.

There is satisfaction with grooming a young boxer to be a world champion, however. When you have a good reputation and are financially stable, it is wonderful to grab a 16-18 year old and bring him to the top for a reign of terror. When you find a boxer with very good potential, you want to sign him but not let him fight until he gets close to reaching his raw potential. When he reaches his peak, that's when you start fighting. Fight every single boxer you can, just go one at a time up the ladder, if he jumps two slots fight the guy you missed. Over time his potential will increase little by little, and after about three years of fighting he'll be even better than when he started.

This is also fun, because with very high skills he will just mow down his opponents who can't even hope to compete with him. By the time he reaches the upper echelons, he'll have developed enough skills to compete on an even basis.

In real life this wouldn't work because he wouldn't be able to feed his family for several years, so it does have a bit of a moral problem. Guys like this usually become champions in their late 20's and can hang on well into their 30's.

As I mentioned earlier, workhorses (or journeymen) will be a big help for you. Older guys who won't be top ten fighters, but can win fights and earn you decent money are very, very valuable. They won't be as hard to sign as the top fighters, and while you're training a potential champion these guys are paying for everything, fighting nearly every month.

When you start a new career your beginning boxers can make or break you financially. Especially if you start young, you need guys who are going to win a few fights, earning the cash you need and the good reputation that you are striving for. Since they are given out at random, you might be inclined to ditch a career and immediately start over if you get hopeless boxers to start with. If you pull a workhorse to start, you're golden because they'll start raking it in for you within a few months.

Real life doesn't have a save button, but you do. You can save the game before a huge decision – such as which young boxer to sign with a big contract – and just reload it if you find that he really doesn't have all that much potential. Now that is underhanded, but very effective.

The length of fights can be very important, even to the point where you're willing to cancel a fight and reschedule with the same guy to get the length you need. I find a lot of knockout artists need extra rounds when they're chasing a faster boxer, so 10-12 rounds can mean a knockout win while 8 rounds can mean a decision loss. Seriously.

Lower ranked boxers pull 8-10 round fights more often, higher ranked fighters get 12 rounders more often. Top 10 fighters always go the full 12 rounds.

There is one big cheat to the game, but if you use it wrong you'll take all the fun out of it. Press the space bar during a round to knock down your opponent without hitting him. Easy way to win rounds or just TKO him out of there.

A strong boxer always has a "puncher's chance" if he's losing to a speedster. If he has enough energy, let him fight aggressively and hope for a lucky shot. They don't happen all the time, of course, but every now and then someone will land a huge punch that just knocks his opponent silly even if he had great energy. Just hope it doesn't happen to your guy, because they usually don't recover and the ref stops it.

I mentioned earlier that you don't want multiple boxers in the same weight class if they are close in ranking. Your boxers can't fight each other, so it loses potential opponents if they are within 5 spots of each other. If you have an aging veteran it's okay to sign a young talent, however.

Check all your advertising every month. The more boxers you have, the easier it is to forget how many months they have left. It only takes a few seconds, you might miss a money opportunity otherwise.

Boxers love 5 year contracts, even taking 1% sometimes to have the security in length. If you're certain you want a boxer, go immediately to 5 years and work the percentage up from 1%, it'll give you the best possible rate.

You can "duck" fighters that might derail your boxer's career. Choosing the right fights is very important, your boxer can get to the top by "missing" fights along the way with boxers who have a lot of skill but haven't moved up in rank yet. Fortunately you don't have the media hollering about how your fighter is ducking a certain opponent. I like to fight everybody if possible to prove that he can beat the best, but sometimes it's just not worth the risk.

Opponents with weak chins are your best friend, never forget that. Even if he totally outclasses your fighter in other categories, you can usually hang in there long enough to get the knockout if you manage the fight carefully.