NBA Jam Release Date, 11/17 - 49.99 - Title Update in December (360, PS3)

[metal134]

Quote: Originally Posted by Pared

Spare everyone with "no one has a (or cares about the) Wii.". That's the worse argument I've seen. The largest selling console that no one apparently has suddenly.

Nobody here cares about the Wii. We're not talking about everyone else, we're talking about this message board. I have one and I still don't pay attention.

Quote: Originally Posted by DickDalewood

B) VHS tapes have dropped in value because they are no longer a supported format... However, put those same movies onto a bluray disc with updated HD visuals and guess what? They cost the same price as any other bluray. Add more features, like making of, behind the scenes, etc and guess what again? We have a $30 movie that was released twenty years ago. Now, imagine if they actually went in and tweaked the acting and overall quality of that film?

Not a valid argument. VHS tapes dropped in price LONG before they went obsolete. VHS tapes were not still $80 in 1990, yet there was no DVD and no Blu-Ray (and Laserdisc sure as hell didn't do anything to make the VHS format sweat.)

[Pared]

Fine, so using that logic no multi-platform game should discuss each game's differences including the Wii version in an attempt to determine value, since "no one here cares about the Wii."

Yeah, I get your point. Makes a lot of sense in our discussion of worth here.

[DickDalewood]

Quote: Originally Posted by metal134

Nobody here cares about the Wii. We're not talking about everyone else, we're talking about this message board. I have one and I still don't pay attention. Not a valid argument. VHS tapes dropped in price LONG before they went obsolete. VHS tapes were not still $80 in 1990, yet there was no DVD and no Blu-Ray (and Laserdisc sure as hell didn't do anything to make the VHS format sweat.)

You're comparing cartridge to bluray/DVD games, which, again as shown by the feature list, bring MUCH more to the table, so it IS a valid argument. Again, this game brings us WELL over 30 hours in offline modes, plus infinite online replayability. As soon as you give ME a "valid" argument on how that is any less of an offering that what every other game gives us today, then I'll gladly listen. And let's not forget that the devs DID tweak and update the gameplay on this as well.

As soon as one of you can come up with something other than a personal preference statement, you cannot argue the FACTS that this game offers as much in the way of content as every other current gen release, and does so for $10 less.

[Pared]

This isn't a "tweak and update" though. The game was re-built entirely. Nothing was re-used from Midway.

Most re-releases people are talking about come from the same company that developed the original title, with access to all source-code. The team making this re-created the game without any of it.

It's actually quite a technical feat if you think about it.

All of these minor facts add up to why it makes sense they are selling it as a stand-alone game.

[DickDalewood]

Well said Pared, and thanks for clarifying that. So go ahead and add that to all the points I just made and there is literally no argument that, when viewed in correlation with the rest of the market, this isnt a $50 game. Hell, it could have been $60 honestly.

[metal134]

Quote: Originally Posted by DickDalewood

As soon as one of you can come up with something other than a personal preference statement, you cannot argue the FACTS that this game offers as much in the way of content as every other current gen release, and does so for $10 less.

Uh, personal preference/opinion is pretty much what this whole argument boils down too. There are no real FACTS.

[DickDalewood]

Quote: Originally Posted by metal134

Uh, personal preference/opinion is pretty much what this whole argument boils down too. There are no real FACTS.

Incorrect. The "argument" has been that this game is not worthy of a $50 price tag. To determine that you need to take personal preference out of it and simply look at what is being given for that amount. When compared to other current gen releases, this game is actually giving just as much, if note MORE content, than most $60 games, and for $10 less. That part is fact. Whether or not that content suits an individual's personal tastes is where opinion comes in, but that could apply to EVERY game ever created, so the pricing debate is ultimately irrelevant.

[ExtremeGamer]

I look at it this way. Do I feel it's worth $50? Yes.

Do I want to pay $50 for it? No.

I wouldn't have paid $50 let alone $60 for Elite to get it for free. But facts are facts, the game was "free" on the 360/PS3 with Elite. BUT, to get the full game, EA was going to charge around another $20 to get the content on the disc, we know that for a fact since some PS3 guys have Elite and the content is there to be unlocked as DLC.

Now EA has to make the Elite money back somehow, they can't very well sell Jam, with more features, on 360/PS3 for $20 when it's $50 on Wii.

How come this argument never came up over the last few months? The Wii version was always $50, and the 360/PS3 version was always free. Now it's an argument that EA decided to sell a more feature filled version for the same price with better graphics?

Bottom line, the game with it's feature set is clearly a $50 title, no matter how you look at it. It's your opinion, personal preference if you feel it's worth it to you or not.