EA Sports MMA Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (360, PS3)

[aholbert32]

Quote: Originally Posted by ManiacMatt1782

see to me this almost seems like an improvement over the whole judging system, i think in a 10 point must system, it states winner gets 10, opponent 9 or less. they need to use the entire 10 points. think about some fights where a guy wins a round but it was kinda close, but all 3 judges see it as 10-9. then the next round the other guy makes an adjustment, and convincingly wins the round, but wasnt given a 10-8 because it wasnt total dominance. Ideally total dominance should be scored 10-1 or 10-2. a convincing round would be in that 10-5 to 10-7 range, and 10-8 or 10-9 would be for close rounds. So honestly I'm kinda happy to see some 10-7s because to me thats a step in the right direction for mma. to be fair i havent seen straight 10-7s like i saw in the demo. also you could fight japanese or vale tudo and have no scores, just the entire fight scored as a winner or loser.

I'm sorry but thats a copout. This game is supposed to have realistic judging. Its not supposed to be an example of how EA thinks judging should be. I've seen my share of 10-8 and 10-7 rounds in this game. You rarely see 10-8 rounds in real life. I dont think there has been a 10-7 round in MMA history.

Its BS and its the only major issue I see with the game right now. I dont know how you can claim to talk to McCarthy and Shamrock about judging and think that 10-7 rounds are possible. This isnt boxing.

Even playing around with your theory it would cause more issues than it solves. Take the Brock/Carwin fight and lets say its a 3 round fight. Under your theory, Carwin dominated round 1 so he deserves a 10-7 or 10-5 round. So lets say Brock wins the last two but he didnt dominate them and gets a two 10-9 rounds. Brock would lose the fight even though technically he won more rounds than Carwin and controlled the fight.

Anyway, its a bug and EA needs to fix it.

[thelwig14]

Quote: Originally Posted by aholbert32

Bad news folks. The 10-7 rounds are in the retail version. In a round that I took Matt Lindland down 9 times, two judges scored the round 10-7.

Mother. Gamekiller...blows me away that it wasn't caught by anyone on the EA team. Anyone with any sense would immediately notice that.

[Lakers 24 7]

Quote: Originally Posted by ManiacMatt1782

see to me this almost seems like an improvement over the whole judging system, i think in a 10 point must system, it states winner gets 10, opponent 9 or less. they need to use the entire 10 points. think about some fights where a guy wins a round but it was kinda close, but all 3 judges see it as 10-9. then the next round the other guy makes an adjustment, and convincingly wins the round, but wasnt given a 10-8 because it wasnt total dominance. Ideally total dominance should be scored 10-1 or 10-2. a convincing round would be in that 10-5 to 10-7 range, and 10-8 or 10-9 would be for close rounds. So honestly I'm kinda happy to see some 10-7s because to me thats a step in the right direction for mma. to be fair i havent seen straight 10-7s like i saw in the demo. also you could fight japanese or vale tudo and have no scores, just the entire fight scored as a winner or loser.

That's too gamey though because that's not how it works in real life. Also, if you do get a 10-7 round, with only 3 rounds the fight is pretty much over. Besides that getting a bunch of TDs doesn't sound like a dominating round anyway, unless they were close to being finished.

[aholbert32]

Quote: Originally Posted by thelwig14

Mother. Gamekiller...blows me away that it wasn't caught by anyone on the EA team. Anyone with any sense would immediately notice that.

Its such a good MMA game but I have no idea how they missed this. But EA always has an issue with judging. Most of the Fight Night/Knockout Kings games had wonky judging imo.

[thelwig14]

Quote: Originally Posted by aholbert32

Its such a good MMA game but I have no idea how they missed this. But EA always has an issue with judging. Most of the Fight Night/Knockout Kings games had wonky judging imo.

True...but nowhere near as DUMB as 10-7. A 10-7 round is the equivalent of Jason Kidd averagin 30 points a game in NBA 2k11...it is something ANYONE with ANY sense would immediately notice that it is broken.

The only logical explanation for this is Big John and a few others are on some crusade to change MMA judging...which just makes me want to vomit because this isn't even remotely the context to make some statement.

It is broken and needs to get patched.

I won't buy the game til it does because this forces every fight to be pointless unless it ends in a knockout.

[goh]

I tried to find a 10-7 round.

There's this quote from a yahoo article (http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slu...htmetric042308)...

Quote:

FightMetric calls a round 10-8 when a fighter scores over 100 and has a score more than six times his opponent’s score. What do you do with a score 52 times the opponent’s? Theoretically, the system’s concentration on diminishing returns at the upper end would mean a requisite score 36 times your opponent’s to get a 10-7 round. But because 10-7 rounds are all but unheard-of and there has never been an official 10-6 round in a major fight that has gone to a decision, there are no rules in place beyond that.

...that makes it sound like there HAS been a 10-7 round at some point. 10-8 with a point loss maybe?

Then there's this one from a Q&A with someone from the NJ Athletic Comisson (http://thegarv.com/Rapidfire-QA-with...-in-MMA.html):

Quote:

The difference between a 10-8 round (a round is to be scored as a 10-8 Round when a contestant overwhelmingly dominates by striking or grappling in a round) and a 10-7 round (a round is to be scored as a 10-7 Round when a contestant totally dominates by striking or grappling in a round) seems difficult to distinguish. Can you explain how to differentiate a 10-8 and 10-7 round? “If there is a 10-7 round, it likely means that the referee or ringside physician should have stopped the fight, but did not.”

Which was exactly what happend with my demo experiment. Are there stoppages in the game at all? Certianly weren't in the demo.

[aholbert32]

Quote: Originally Posted by goh

I tried to find a 10-7 round. There's this quote from a yahoo article (http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slu...htmetric042308)... ...that makes it sound like there HAS been a 10-7 round at some point. 10-8 with a point loss maybe? Then there's this one from a Q&A with someone from the NJ Athletic Comisson (http://thegarv.com/Rapidfire-QA-with...-in-MMA.html): Which was exactly what happend with my demo experiment. Are there stoppages in the game at all? Certianly weren't in the demo.

The fact that there are 10-7 rounds isnt the only problem. For example, just had a fight with Eddie Alverez and Aoki. The 3 judges scored the round 10-10, 10-7 Alverez and 10-9 Aoki. Now no one dominated that round. Alverez took Aoki down twice Aoki went for several subs and Alverez controlled the standup.

How does that judging make sense?

[gmac0322]

Can someone please answer my question about if the game has sliders? thanks