NBA Elite 11 OS Exclusive Video: Miami Heat @ Orlando Magic

[elprez98]

Quote: Originally Posted by rEAnimator

I definitely hear what you're saying. I've observed quite a bit in my short time on the forums. There are definitely emotions involved as you said. There are people who feel betrayed, and I respect where those people are coming from and hope to mend those wounds over time. There are people who feel uneasy about the new direction, and I can certainly appreciate the concern there and hope we can build trust moving forward. But there are also people who are taking advantage of those emotions to take cheap shots and bury the positives. I also know there are people who agree with our direction and are excited by what we're doing. And often they are bullied by that last group of people into silence. I want to see that stop, while still respecting the needs of the people who fall into the first two categories. Feel free to correct me if my interpretation is wrong. It very well could be.

I'll probably get banned for saying anything to contradict a developer, but oh well.

I believe you are way off base.

You cannot say on one hand, "our biggest emphasis was gameplay" and then on the other, be personally offended when people critique Elite using the data given (animations). We can't use gameplay as a benchmark until we have a demo. We can only use the data available, and that by and large, have been the videos released. Again, I don't mean get out of line, but if Elite's biggest asset is gameplay, it would seem infinitely more prudent to get the demo out early. That way, evaluations could be completed including your biggest strengths (gameplay) instead of solely using your biggest weakness (animations).

With Live 10, you guys attracted a lot of attention from people who would haven't taken a 2nd look at Live since it was on PS2. I am one of those. However, at the same time I can't sit here and say I like what Elite is presenting. Without a demo, and again, no offense, but taking a salesman at his word (wait for the demo) is not something that many customers do in this day and age.

Now I do agree that the poster did go to far in questioning your team's passion to create a great game, but other than that I saw a post that is itching for a demo release to make his own judgement on a game.

I do not fall into any of the three categories that you presented. I am an admitted 2k fan, but bigger than that, I am a basketball fan. I enjoyed what Live 10 brought to the table as far as control, especially, as I hadn't bought a Live game in over half a decade.

Finally, you say these guys are bullying out intrigued, excited fans and that could be the case. However, I think what is a bit more likely is that your post coupled with the fear of being banned from OS, will make those of us who would like to give open and honest feedback, more hesitant to do so.

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elprez I dont think you have to worry about being banned for your opposing post.

What I was saying, I was not directing at that one poster but the quip about personally questioning the mens work ethic and whatnot is another story.


It was a general comment and I wanted to throw out there, that there is a TOS stipulation to be mindful of..

That said, there are a myriad of reasons why people have different views on this game... for one the people who got burned with EA's NCAA basketball definitely doesnt want to hear from some fanboy that they're being unfair for not believing or trusting anything said to them.

I see guys here who are gung ho who have no idea about the guys who have been here for years, giving their input, told they were being listened to, continued to support the series without such, then come in a decided it just needs to be shut down.. Its not going to happen that easy.

There are some people here who have been burned we all know this, and trust is earned not given. As of right now the longer the delay of a demo the more speculation on what has been said and seen will follow.

Either way everyone will have to get used to opposing views and respect it as such and thats it...

We can definitely do that without going into eachothers households and stuff

That said, its a shame that the refs will be left on the court like billboard fodder as if its not that important. In the year of 2010 its almost nill that some things shouldnt even be an issue anymore

[elprez98]

I understand about keeping the reigns on the site and I agree on all points.


Honestly, I could do without the moving refs, but like you said, that is something that shouldn't even be an afterthought in a 2010 game.

One of the thing that bothers me the most about Elite is the player/player interactions, particularly on the dunks. Whenever there is player/player contact, to me, it looks like there is a millisecond pause between when the offensive player meets the defender and when the game calculates the correct interaction. I know, it is probably all in my mind, but nevertheless, it bothers me.

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If you can see that you have a real keen eye lol

Im just saying, if something such as that has been left out, im assuming people are reminded of other things that were sacrificed and or overlooked that adds immersion or that might make sense to the customers..

Again... we'll see how it all plays out

[rEAnimator]

Quote: Originally Posted by elprez98

I understand about keeping the reigns on the site and I agree on all points. Honestly, I could do without the moving refs, but like you said, that is something that shouldn't even be an afterthought in a 2010 game. One of the thing that bothers me the most about Elite is the player/player interactions, particularly on the dunks. Whenever there is player/player contact, to me, it looks like there is a millisecond pause between when the offensive player meets the defender and when the game calculates the correct interaction. I know, it is probably all in my mind, but nevertheless, it bothers me.

This is a really good point actually. In my drive to make things physics driven I did lose sight of one thing which is how players anticipate collision before it happens.

This is probably what you're noticing.

I did have time to add some anticipation on dribble collisions, but there's a lot of improvement we can do there, and even more so on anticipation of in air collisions.

We did accomplish our goal of eliminating the suction effect of the two player animations by moving to a physics driven system, and players can branch out at any time to give you vastly improved responsiveness, so I'm not by any means disappointed by what we accomplished.

But there are definitely areas for further improvement, and I think this is one of them.

[rEAnimator]

Quote: Originally Posted by elprez98

You cannot say on one hand, "our biggest emphasis was gameplay" and then on the other, be personally offended when people critique Elite using the data given (animations). We can't use gameplay as a benchmark until we have a demo.

Hey man, I have no problems with people criticizing the animation quality based on videos. Keep it coming.

There have been countless posts on that subject with a good back and forth discussion on priorities, implementation details and tradeoffs.

If everyone made valid points like the one you just made in your post about collision timings being off, the discourse would be enjoyable and constructive.

Most posts have been like this which is why I keep coming back.

[gmac0322]

Quote: Originally Posted by rEAnimator

Hey man, I have no problems with people criticizing the animation quality based on videos. Keep it coming. There have been countless posts on that subject with a good back and forth discussion on priorities, implementation details and tradeoffs. If everyone made valid points like the one you just made in your post about collision timings being off, the discourse would be enjoyable and constructive. Most posts have been like this which is why I keep coming back.

So is there going to be something done about the refs and are there going to be foul sliders in the game so that every collision at the rim isnt a no call?

[Super Glock]

Quote: Originally Posted by rEAnimator

I definitely hear what you're saying. I've observed quite a bit in my short time on the forums. There are definitely emotions involved as you said. There are people who feel betrayed, and I respect where those people are coming from and hope to mend those wounds over time. There are people who feel uneasy about the new direction, and I can certainly appreciate the concern there and hope we can build trust moving forward. But there are also people who are taking advantage of those emotions to take cheap shots and bury the positives. I also know there are people who agree with our direction and are excited by what we're doing. And often they are bullied by that last group of people into silence. I want to see that stop, while still respecting the needs of the people who fall into the first two categories. Feel free to correct me if my interpretation is wrong. It very well could be.

No correction needed, you are exactly on target great post. I definitely see and agree with the direction this series is going and want to encourage you to keep at it. Unfortunately for the most part on the Elite forum you arent going to get a lot of good constructive criticism but mostly negative immature posts from people with an agenda if you know what I mean.

But none the less there still has been some mature posters with some valuable
constructive criticism. I for one am very excited with the direction EA is going with this series and won't be bullied by some of the nonsense.