NBA Elite 11 Interview with Creative Director David Littman

[kingpnp]

Quote: Originally Posted by loadleft

Though I can appreciate the idea of being responsible for making my own shots, if I developed the ability to consistently hit 3's w/Rondo how would the represent Rondo? I now have a generic player w/a difficult shot release, do I not? I thought this was supposed to be an NBA games with representations of REAL players. If so then why not have the real limitations that the real players have? By the way there aren't multiple releases for each player only varying margins of error. A perfect straight release hits no matter how large the sweet spot or small the margin of error. That isn't even my major concern though. I've been wondering over the last few weeks when was the last improvement in this series made to TEAM play, meaning actual gameplay improvements to make the game more realistically reflect real life challenges of playing in the NBA? Please don't say last year! Though last year was an improvement on the series, it was simply made more challenging across the board (a lot of which was through CPU cheats) and not really reflective of the actual challenge of NBA play. Pretty much every game had the same challenge whether it was the Clippers or the Celtics.

i get your point but as some have stated. you guys dont get it.

RONDO= Rondo because of his god given talent + how he chose to work on that talent and perfect certain aspects(dribbling/steals/passing) of it and not others(Ft's, Jumpshooting). Yes Rondo will start off with certain stats/ratings. but now You are inside of Rondos head. you can choose to exploit rondos FT's and jumpshooting. while not exploiting his passing(which will be easy to do because of his high pass rating like real life).

the ratings make it EASIER for you to maninuplate that portion of the players game. its not supposed to be 100% CPU generated based on ratings. cause even if you did that, it would not be realistict like the game. there is a randomness in real life that is not in computers and a formula. this is where real time physics and the stick stuff comes in.

now you have rondos God given abilities, and his weakness. you can CHOOSE to just use his strengths with ease if you practice a little bit. or you can work really hard on the tough stuff(jumper, Ft's) and have an all around rondo. or you can work overtime like kobe on everything rondo can and cant do. and end up being a kobe. 100% all around assassin.

no true weakness in your game. but thats up to the user. if you want to practice that much, thats on you. then you deserve if you practice perfectly. then practice will make perfect. so the more you practice the more you will be rewarded on the court on offense and defense.

thats REAL LIFE folks. if you just want to push a button and allow the cpu to decide for you based on a formula and nothing more. then you might as well play basketball like they play Final Fantasy and those type of games. where you choose POtion and you put the controls down and watch your character throw potion at the enemy.


if you're to afraid of being left out because you're stuck on buttons. OH WELL. get use to it. if you want realisim thats the trade off my friends. if you dont want improvement in this area. i dont know what to tell you. cause once EA does it. 2k will have to do it to survive after awhile.

so you wont have a choice.
oh and lastly

about the shooting sweet spots. Ray allen wont have just one sweet spot as far as how straight you keep the stick. its a cross. one line moving from left to right to show direction of the ball assuming the rim is directly in the middle. left or right of the rim. even if you get that perfect EVERYTIME. you will also have to get the trajectory perfect. and guess what. the trajectory will change depending on the distance and possibly the strength of the player.

for instance if they make it right. Shaq can easily throw a 3pt shot over the rim because he's so strong. that means lets say from bottom to top of the trajectory line its from 0-100(being the most powerful shot). so in order for shaq to hit the rim from the 3 pt line his trajectory would need to be at 50%. so now you have to get the direction part right in the middle. then the trajectory part perfectly on 50%. to make continuous PERFECT SHOTS. Direction has to = between 49 and 51 (0 to 49)= left of the rim 51 to 100)= right of the rim. 50 is the middle of the rim. so Shaqs direction perfect shot would have to be around 49 to about 51, extremly small 3pt size green space to be money.
shaqs trajectory =50%. now do that over and over every time to make a glitch out of it. then as the EA guy stated they can retune the accuracy. with relative ease even in a PATCH.

now ray allen will have a much larger sweet space (40 - 60) for the direction portion of the jumper. but his trajector 0-100. from the 3pt line. would be something like 70% power=perfect swish. so in order to hit rays shot.

if 70% = a perfect swish for ray and 50% = a perfect swish for shaq. then that means 75% for rayray may be the backboard(shot to hard, to much power for rayray). it still may bank in with real time physics, but how often would that work? not often from distance.) it also means a too short front rim grazing shot could be approx 68% for ray ray.


- 0 to 49 = left side of rim / 50 = middle of Rim/ 51 to 100 = Right side of the rim

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0.. 50. 100

100= Full power with shaq(strongest player in the nba) = x amt of feet shaq could shoot the ball with 2 hands. so if shaqs strength ias at 90. that means ray allens is at approx 60. so that means 60 is the strongest for ray. so a 60 strong shot for ray with two hands actually = 60% distance of shaqs 90 rating. so lets say shaqs 90 rating strength shootin 2 hands = 100 FEET distance. then Ray allens FUll power shot (ray's full strength is 60)=60feet.

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[rEAnimator]

Quote: Originally Posted by Tha_Kid

Did the footplanting/physics issue ever get ironed out?

The worst case of it definitely was. For example, Kobe doing the spin move on Ray Allen (I think) in the last quick clip where Ray Alan slid a lot when he came into contact with Kobe. That has been fixed.

There were also a very, very large number of smaller, targeted fixes that were made to specific animation blends that fixed sliding.

I'm not going to say all the sliding is gone because that would be a lie, but we definitely fixed the glaring problems from the previous videos.

[Boilerbuzz]

I have a couple of issues with some of the comments:

1. Bullcrap to the premise people only care about the company making the game instead of the game itself. Sure, some will blindly defend their game of choice, but that loyalty starts with the game.
2. There is NOTHING Elite is doing that is revolutionary. I'm sorry. As a matter of fact, they are taking a VERY simple approach to the game and mechanics. It remains to be seen how it goes.
3. I see a lot of leveraging of the NHL title. Too much. This is not the NHL team doing this game. It's not the Fifa team (a better team than NHL) fixing this game. Because they are on the same campus using the same tools does NOT make the games equal. By that logic, Live should have good five years ago. It's like saying every game should be good because they are all done in C++.

In no way am I saying the game won't be good. Not at all. I just have a problem with the methods folks are using to convince people it's true. Big props to them for acknowledging their mistakes. It's just sad that failure was the catalyst and not their fans. For the record, I don't like the fact that they decided to reset AFTER making so much progress with Live 10.

[Boilerbuzz]

Quote: Originally Posted by rEAnimator

I'm still on vacation, but I swung by the office today to check out the game and see where it's at. This is pretty much the last week of development on the game, and the guys are working really, really hard to finish things off.

No offense man, but this sounds strange to me. I would think you would still be burning the midnight oil until the game was done, done. Again, not implying anything. It just caught me off guard.

[Jano]

Quote: Originally Posted by Boilerbuzz

3. I see a lot of leveraging of the NHL title. Too much. This is not the NHL team doing this game. It's not the Fifa team (a better team than NHL) fixing this game. Because they are on the same campus using the same tools does NOT make the games equal. By that logic, Live should have good five years ago. It's like saying every game should be good because they are all done in C++.

Actually some of the guys from the other EA dev teams are working on this game. And the engines (ANT, RTP, Real-AI) the devs are using on Elite are a lot better then the ones they have previously used imo.

RTP allowed the game to finally have features 2K's had for years like the ability to go for steals while moving. Or enable the ball to be "live" so contact with the it actually matters. RTP also got rid of canned animations so we can finally do some basic things like block shots off the backboard.

It also added in some much needed physicality to the game and it effects the game everywhere from the post to the perimeter. We will finally be able to see a difference between Lebron and CP3 when they are charging down the lane. The ANT technology gets rid of the ball warping on the rebounds.

Real-AI will actually cause players use moves they would in real life. This could potentially be the end of Bynum doing euro steps, or Shaq shooting fadeaways.

These new engines are adding in some MUCH needed improvements to this basketball series. And its doing it at a much faster rate then they would have using the old engine.

So your right it probably doesn't make the games equal but it definitely puts them on the same playing field though. Because now the tech is similar so things you see in one game could be possible in the other.

[tedus]

Quote: Originally Posted by Boilerbuzz

No offense man, but this sounds strange to me. I would think you would still be burning the midnight oil until the game was done, done. Again, not implying anything. It just caught me off guard.

what' wrong ?!! dude!!

he already said he finished most part of his work and the rest ones divided to others!!

you work all year!! Don't you want to go on a vocation??

BTＷ
appreciate your hard work rEAnimator!!
a question!!

I asked you before!! you said the dev team did not dicussions yet at that time!!

Q:How about the hustle play!! can we control it or not??!!

[B-Ball Life]

Quote: Originally Posted by rEAnimator

Most of my stuff was done ( I had fixed a really bad physcis bug on the Saturday before I left), but there was still some bug fixing and tuning that needed to happen while I was away. So we split my features up amongst 3 other engineers on the team who were familiar with my features, or were working on similar features. They knew they'd be taking over so we had time to discuss details before I left. I was also available on email in case of an emergency, but it was never needed. Everything worked out well.

Man Am I Excited for this game.

And i Qoute the post because "I Know Where I Wanna Take My Talents"(Lebron Reference) when i graduate college. lol (Hoping Anyway)

[B-Ball Life]

Quote: Originally Posted by rEAnimator

Most of my stuff was done ( I had fixed a really bad physcis bug on the Saturday before I left), but there was still some bug fixing and tuning that needed to happen while I was away. So we split my features up amongst 3 other engineers on the team who were familiar with my features, or were working on similar features. They knew they'd be taking over so we had time to discuss details before I left. I was also available on email in case of an emergency, but it was never needed. Everything worked out well.

Man Am I Excited for this game.

And i Quoted the post because "I Know Where I Wanna Take My Talents"(Lebron Reference) when i graduate college. lol (Hoping Anyway)