Old Madden Ratings Site Reborn Under New Management

[DCEBB2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by anechoic

Hey, I just started following this thread and I do appreciate you keeping EA in check as far as player ratings go. But I've been checking out the ratings, and they don't seem very universal so far. I'm a Packer fan so I've been checking out mostly Green Bay's player ratings, and there are a number that seem off. But I'm going to set those aside to comment on the larger issue here. A lot of people want the ratings to be more dispersed - have a greater gap between the best and worst players. It sounds like a great idea, but I'm not really convinced that it is. It sort of starts to eliminate "competition." For instance, in Denver, Tim Tebow and Brady Quinn are in competition for the backup quarterback spot. In Madden 11, the two players are pretty much interchangeable so it's mostly personal preference. But if the ratings are stretched, perhaps Quinn would become a 70 and Tebow would drop to a 67 or something. Now, you'd be much more compelled to start Quinn over Tebow. And the truth about the NFL is that the competition is much closer than it is in college football. Even in the NFL, it's not too difficult for someone like Aaron Rodgers to scramble away from defensive ends but if the ratings varied more, that speed difference would show even more, which would make Rodgers look even slower. And when it comes to the discussion of "which player is better," almost no one can agree (like people constantly argue over whether Drew Brees or Peyton Manning is a better quarterback) so it's probably better to have the ratings closer in that case to show how close their skills really are. Ok, I'm really not sure if all of that was coherent, but I thought I should get some of my opinions out here. Don't know if any of this helps at all.

One thing to remember is that these players are not rated in a similar fashion to how EA rates players. That could be why they seem off. The number of 90s has been decreased to make them more elite. Having a 90 rating for an attribute accomplishes the same thing. Please let me know what you think is off so I can explain why that player is rated as he is.

[DCEBB2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by kng23rich

I'm a Falcons fan an imo CB Robinson is way to high. He constantly getting burnt by WRs and Matt Ryans should be about an 87. Turner speed is to low an hes much better then an 85ovr. He may have been injured last year but he still had a great average per rush and was putting up great numbers. DE Anderson is thrash an should be a 71 at best. ILB Lofton being a 74ovr is really bad. Hes the best player on our defense and should be about an 88ovr. I seen you said you only edited raw attributes so if your not done yet then disregard what I just posted lol.

No the OVR ratings are up to date as well. The reason that Robinson is as high as he is comes down to his physical attributes. Because Madden has ratings for the physical attributes as well as the gameplay attributes, you have to consider both when rating a player. In Robinson's case, his physical attributes of SPD and ACC make him quite good in that regard...especially considering how fast he really is. Think of the OVR as not necessarily HOW a player will play, but rather the sum of all the parts that may or may not DETERMINE how he will play.

Second, how can you say his speed is too low? Have you seen the other positions and RBs for that matter? The guy only ran a 4.49...not a 4.30. He is not as fast as a lot of people think. Once again, all things being equal...that 85 SPD rating is right where he belongs. The AVG/CAR does NOT determine speed. Speed determines speed. You can take a slow back with a great OL and still have a great average per carry. So please disregard such a statistic as stats do NOT make up a players rating and potential.

Lofton is coming off of ankle and knee problems. Injuries play a part in a player's OVR rating.

[DCEBB2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by VikesRule

I apologize if this has been discussed already, but I was wondering what you do for player ratings that don't really affect certain positions. For instance, how do you determine what a QB's catch rating or a WR's tackling rating is? Do you just give them all a standard value (I think in the last gen games the "default" value for ratings was 40 or something like that) or do you vary them, or is there some way you come up with different ratings?

There is a way to determine those other ratings...it comes down to correlations and such...but a magician never fully reveals his tricks...

[DCEBB2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by kng23rich

ILB Lofton being a 74ovr is really bad. Hes the best player on our defense and should be about an 88ovr. I seen you said you only edited raw attributes so if your not done yet then disregard what I just posted lol.

Also, because the 90s are reserved for the elite players, consider 80 being a new high quality starter rating...something that Lofton is not yet deserving of IMO.

[DCEBB2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by anechoic

Hey, I just started following this thread and I do appreciate you keeping EA in check as far as player ratings go. But I've been checking out the ratings, and they don't seem very universal so far. I'm a Packer fan so I've been checking out mostly Green Bay's player ratings, and there are a number that seem off. But I'm going to set those aside to comment on the larger issue here. A lot of people want the ratings to be more dispersed - have a greater gap between the best and worst players. It sounds like a great idea, but I'm not really convinced that it is. It sort of starts to eliminate "competition." For instance, in Denver, Tim Tebow and Brady Quinn are in competition for the backup quarterback spot. In Madden 11, the two players are pretty much interchangeable so it's mostly personal preference. But if the ratings are stretched, perhaps Quinn would become a 70 and Tebow would drop to a 67 or something. Now, you'd be much more compelled to start Quinn over Tebow. And the truth about the NFL is that the competition is much closer than it is in college football. Even in the NFL, it's not too difficult for someone like Aaron Rodgers to scramble away from defensive ends but if the ratings varied more, that speed difference would show even more, which would make Rodgers look even slower. And when it comes to the discussion of "which player is better," almost no one can agree (like people constantly argue over whether Drew Brees or Peyton Manning is a better quarterback) so it's probably better to have the ratings closer in that case to show how close their skills really are. Ok, I'm really not sure if all of that was coherent, but I thought I should get some of my opinions out here. Don't know if any of this helps at all.

And I know you didn't mention it, but the reason Finley's SPD is only a 76 is because he only ran a 4.66 at his pro day...he ran a 4.82 at the combine if you would prefer to give him a 69 SPD instead? Keep in mind that the average speed for a TE in the NFL since 1998 has been a 69...or a 4.83 40...which ever you like to use.

[wangtangkiki]

Where are they getting the number 14,000? 80 players going into camp.. * 32 = 2,560.

You only go into the regular season with 53 man roster + practice team.. Are there really 11,440 free agents? I'm guessing they are talking about past players as well?

[adembroski]

This was the site that brought me into the Madden community back in 2001; glad to see it back

[angels eclipse7]

Quote: Originally Posted by DCEBB2001

No the OVR ratings are up to date as well. The reason that Robinson is as high as he is comes down to his physical attributes. Because Madden has ratings for the physical attributes as well as the gameplay attributes, you have to consider both when rating a player. In Robinson's case, his physical attributes of SPD and ACC make him quite good in that regard...especially considering how fast he really is. Think of the OVR as not necessarily HOW a player will play, but rather the sum of all the parts that may or may not DETERMINE how he will play. Second, how can you say his speed is too low? Have you seen the other positions and RBs for that matter? The guy only ran a 4.49...not a 4.30. He is not as fast as a lot of people think. Once again, all things being equal...that 85 SPD rating is right where he belongs. The AVG/CAR does NOT determine speed. Speed determines speed. You can take a slow back with a great OL and still have a great average per carry. So please disregard such a statistic as stats do NOT make up a players rating and potential. Lofton is coming off of ankle and knee problems. Injuries play a part in a player's OVR rating.

But overall rating should be how good a player is. If someone is better than him, it should mean they are better corners than him.

I don't care what his 40 yard was one time. Watch the game film and you will see the dude does have flat out speed. He was to fast on the last madden game but he should be somewhere around an 89 at the minimum IMO.

You are the only one that I have heard say that Lofton's injuries are going to effect him this year. He's never really had a big injury problem as far as I know.