Madden NFL 11 Full Player Ratings: Miami Dolphins and New York Jets

[iBlievN5]

Quote: Originally Posted by Johnny "Too Tall"

Huh? How do project what someones accuracy is going to be the next season? Their awareness? That's ridiculous. Greg Camarillo didn't drop a pass last year but we predict his hands will not be as good this season..oh really, based off what? I love how in life people will say hes talented, hes got great potential, and everyone says "oh yea, prove it". So these guys prove that they can do it and they still get no respect. Gimme a break. This is what we ask out of people. To prove what they say, back up their talk. What else do you have to back up someones claim to what they say besides what they have done?

umm accuracy, that sounds like completion pct to me but ookay, awr? sounds like progression in the system and knowledge of the game. as far as greg camarillo goes, should he have 99 cth b/c he didn't drop a pass? i would say he didn't really impact a game with those catches since he's a short range possession receiver. i get it though, you maaad.

[iBlievN5]

Quote: Originally Posted by warrior7807

so you can explain away MAJOR rating differences on physical tools and how players are going to play in the upcoming season. so where does last season's stats fall into the ratings decisions? we have roster updates for a reason. it must be a HUGE part of the ratings that goes into what they are expected to do if sanchez puts up his stats and still gets an 82. Henne puts up better stats, and, based on your logic, will put up almost identical numbers even with an improved offense. id like to think that what you say has some bearing on the ratings, but based off of what has been released on both teams, its hard to believe

haha alright man. mark sanchez won't be more successful than henne? is that what you want to hear? objectivity is obviously not a strong suit of yours. Donny M thinks Sanchez will be more successful win wise and they'll have similar statistics passing-wise. i don't understand your problem with this.

[warrior7807]

Quote: Originally Posted by iBlievN5

haha alright man. mark sanchez won't be more successful than henne? is that what you want to hear? objectivity is obviously not a strong suit of yours. Donny M thinks Sanchez will be more successful win wise and they'll have similar statistics passing-wise. i don't understand your problem with this.

read the entire thread and tell me i havent been objective. Im not asking for a boost of Henne, im trying to figure out how many jets players are boosted based on their stats compared to MIA stats (which is what this thread is about). your logic shows that Leonhard will be better than Bell, Hartline and Smith will be similar,and Cotchery will make Bess look like a HS JV WR.
Based on Last season, Henne was better than Sanchez. If you taken the time to read the thread, i said earlier that the best teams should not always have the best overalls. Henne and Sanchez are a prime example. Just because sanchez was on the better team does not mean that he should be rated higher than Henne.

Madden does a piss poor job differentiating TEAM overalls from PLAYER overalls. player overalls should be based on what that player has done individually. It seems like the bearing of the player overalls this year are based on who made the playoffs. the madden team needs to implement a team based rating such as chemistry(stated before) rather than boost individual players who didnt deserve it.

[Cobra84]

Quote: Originally Posted by iBlievN5

umm accuracy, that sounds like completion pct to me but ookay, awr? sounds like progression in the system and knowledge of the game. as far as greg camarillo goes, should he have 99 cth b/c he didn't drop a pass? i would say he didn't really impact a game with those catches since he's a short range possession receiver. i get it though, you maaad.

Progression? Henne was the one who looked better at the end of the season without a great defense and running game to prop him up.

Camarillo is medium range. Why not give a player who catches the ball a good catch rating? I expect a LB that didn't miss a tackle to have a high tackle rating.

[iBlievN5]

Quote: Originally Posted by warrior7807

read the entire thread and tell me i havent been objective. Im not asking for a boost of Henne, im trying to figure out how many jets players are boosted based on their stats compared to MIA stats (which is what this thread is about). your logic shows that Leonhard will be better than Bell, Hartline and Smith will be similar,and Cotchery will make Bess look like a HS JV WR. Based on Last season, Henne was better than Sanchez. If you taken the time to read the thread, i said earlier that the best teams should not always have the best overalls. Henne and Sanchez are a prime example. Just because sanchez was on the better team does not mean that he should be rated higher than Henne. Madden does a piss poor job differentiating TEAM overalls from PLAYER overalls. player overalls should be based on what that player has done individually. It seems like the bearing of the player overalls this year are based on who made the playoffs. the madden team needs to implement a team based rating such as chemistry(stated before) rather than boost individual players who didnt deserve it.

cotchery has had 1000 yd seasons. that answers that. leonhard will probably be better than bell, he's on the better D and will perform like the better player, whether or not you think that is true is irrelevant as the production is what madden is attempting to reproduce. if leonhard plays like an 85 because darrelle revis is a 99, then why would he not get an 85 if all the individual ratings are correct? some would argue that a team that wins has talented players. but you're right, i didn't read the whole thread, it's 9 pages! i skimmed the latest. so my b. oh and smith probably should be lower.

[iBlievN5]

Quote: Originally Posted by Cobra84

Progression? Henne was the one who looked better at the end of the season without a great defense and running game to prop him up. Camarillo is medium range. Why not give a player who catches the ball a good catch rating? I expect a LB that didn't miss a tackle to have a high tackle rating.

a whole offseason, with braylon, jerricho and santonio, combined with their run game... and dustin keller? i think sanchez being higher is fair since he will have the more successful season even if his weapons are stellar. should P. manning have been lowered when he had all those stars on his offensive team?

camarillo made 50 catches for 500 yds. i don't think that warrants any high ratings in any area.

[REDRZA]

Quote: Originally Posted by warrior7807

Again,there should be no crystal ball ratings in madden. You even mentioned the supposed weekly updates, so there is no reason to compensate him for hidden potential until he shows it on the field. no one knows if Sanchez will even be in the league in 2 years (far fetched). fact is, if last season, NY doesnt make the playoffs due to their outstanding D and solid Rush O, Sanchez would be no higher than a 78. He is a product of the ever famous Donny Moore playoff rating boosts. he played will in the playoffs compared to the reg season, but the O was simplified for him and even the jets FO recognized his misfortunes by rarely allowing him to throw over 20 times from roughly mid-season on unless desperation was needed. they did a good job limiting the amount of reads he needed to make as they cut down the field for him to make quicker decisions. if donny moore is rating NFL players, it should be based on their NFL experience(if they have any). Sanchez has a year under his belt, and individually, he struggled. If he put those same exact numbers up as the Browns, Raiders, or even Dolphins QB, he would be in the 70s. Your point about him being a rookie and performing decent and looking into the future doesnt hold much water if compared to other 2nd year QB's initial ratings. He is not the only Jet that shows an inflated rating due to their success. Gholston is a 75 ovr, Cotchery, B. Smith, Leonard, Jenkins all have laughable overalls and need to be lowered. Why are they rated on a much more biased scale when compared with Langford, Wake, R. Brown, Bess, Hartline and Bell? It only makes sense that individual ratings are measured on individual success/failures. Even though i dont like him(M.Sanchez) as a player, i agree he has the IT factor, but there is not IT factor rating, He did nothing last season to merit the high rating he recieved.

Oh stop it already. Obviously D. Moore thinks Sanchez is 4 pts. higher than Henne. BIG DEAL. You can cut and slice it any way you want to. It is what it is. You havent given Sanchez one thing i mentioned. You are blinded by stats alone. Well obviously, more than just stats go into a player rating.

Take Gholston as an example. So far, hes done NOTHING on the field. So EA is in a tough spot in regards to rating him because his physical talent is still there. Hes still fast, and very strong. So how do you rate him? You going to lower his overall speed? Agilty? Strength? His physical ratings are very high, but they lowered what they could like awareness etc. His physical ratings are so high that they effect the overall, but that doesn't tell the whole story.

I have been disgusted with him so far, but this year the Jets are moving him from OLB to DE and so far, the reports from camp have been more positive. I'm willing to give him a chance because he's only been here a couple years, and was drafted very high, so i'd like to see what he can do. He's a perfect example of why ratings are tough. Statistically, he's done nothing yet, but is still young and very much a physical specimen.

You keep bringing up the Jets #1 defense and ground game and thats very much true. BUT what is also very much true is Sanchez was not only learning on the fly as a very green rookie, but the Jets didnt exactly have alot of options for him to throw to either. I Love Cotchery, but he is NOT a #1 WR. He was with the Jets. Hes a great possession receiver, but not a #1 wideout. This year, he will have more options with Holmes, LT, and the old cast. Plus he will have a full year AND playoff experience behind him. THAT is what EA rates him on. Get over this already.

[REDRZA]

Quote: Originally Posted by iBlievN5

a whole offseason, with braylon, jerricho and santonio, combined with their run game... and dustin keller? i think sanchez being higher is fair since he will have the more successful season even if his weapons are stellar. should P. manning have been lowered when he had all those stars on his offensive team? camarillo made 50 catches for 500 yds. i don't think that warrants any high ratings in any area.

THANK YOU man. At least you can objectively look at things. These guys are acting like he's a 92 rather than an 82, he's only 4 OVERALL pts higher than Henne. BIG DEAL.