Madden NFL 11 Full Player Ratings: Miami Dolphins and New York Jets

[ramzes93]

Quote: Originally Posted by REDRZA

You telling ME about the Jets? I have season tickets and see EVERY game. The correct way to say it is that he was Inconsistant in his rookie year. The reason his first half QB rating was inflated is because he was 3-0, remember? So in the second HALF, you have 8 games. What was his QB rating in the first 4 of those games, compared to the last 4 and playoffs? Stats and numbers don't always tell the entire story. He clearly played much better, and smarter down the stretch.

You are right, stats don't always tell the story, in fact you can say sanchez is overated based on his stats, and you can say he is overated because of how people percieve he played. I've seen multiple Jet and Dolphin games both when they happened and on NFL replay when im bored, and if you think Sanchez was a better QB than Henne last year than you just arent watching, let alone ignoring stats.

Sanchez rarely has to make multiple reads when he throws, and he usually throws to short crosses and simple routes. He did not perform well when pressured in the pocket, hence 20 int on a RUNNING team, with a great defense. 20 int is bad for a QB on a passing team, but on team which predominately runs for manageable 3rd downs and short passing situations/ great play action? Thats awful. Buffalo game? WTF was that?

In the playoffs, they played the super deflated Bengals, who undeniabley had nothing in the tank after the emotional losses they delt with during the season. If anyone disagrees with that, than thats sad. Then the chargers who pull their usual choke-job in the playoffs, missing field goals and wasting their season. Against the colts the defense played a good first half, then Peyton took the training wheels off in the second half and tourched them. Sanchez was along for the ride, again making simple throws.

Did you guys watch the Dolphins/ Jets MNF game? Sanchez essentially made one difficult throw with the circus catch by Braylon Edwards, and dink and dunked the rest of the game. Henne looked like a franchise QB if you ask me, leading his team to the win in the 4th quarter with perfect throws and 4th down conversions, many on the run.

Furthermore i think its a crime that Matt Stafford is rated below the Sanchize, that kid similar stats for a god awful team, and got hammered game after game, and still managed to make plays. Not to mention his arm, and Henne's for that matter, are much stronger than Sanchez's.

Other Fin players they screwed up. Brian Hartline is MUCH faster than Bess, and actually according to 40 time faster than B. Marsh, yet he is rated 85. Camarillo had NO drops on 50 catches and earns an 83 catch? He is the definition of a possesion reciever, and they gave bess an 87 catch, when he dropped key catches and muffed punts last year. Tyler Thigpen worse than Pat White? Dont even have to say anything.

I mean do they even watch the games? Some of this crap isnt even that in depth its just dead wrong. Why dont they have guys more in depth to decide ratings?

[warrior7807]

Quote: Originally Posted by REDRZA

Let's see what Orton does this year. You are focusing on individual performance last year, while adding that Sanchez had the better overall team. What you aren't counting is that Henne has had the huge advantage of sitting back an entire year, watching a VET like Pennington, learned the teams playbook, practiced with his WR's and their timing, and everything that goes into being an NFL player and QB, while Sanchez was a pure rookie.

I completely agree, but at the same time, Henne wasnt expecting to start, he was thrown into the starting role when pennington went down. The backups rarely get reps during the season during practice,and henne didn't get many reps at #1 during the off season.
Just because henne had a season to sit and watch doesn't mean that should hurt his Madden 11 rating. Sanchez shouldn't be generously rated just because he was a rookie. if that is how ratings are to be done, then every rookie who has a bad season as a starter should be given the same generosity. if this were the case, Flacco would have been at least an 85 last season to start, rather than his 82. an 85 is supposed to be a pro-bowl caliber player per Madden. Sanchez is not even close to a pro bowler

[ramzes93]

Quote: Originally Posted by warrior7807

I completely agree, but at the same time, Henne wasnt expecting to start, he was thrown into the starting role when pennington went down. The backups rarely get reps during the season during practice,and henne didn't get many reps at #1 during the off season. Just because henne had a season to sit and watch doesn't mean that should hurt his Madden 11 rating. Sanchez shouldn't be generously rated just because he was a rookie. if that is how ratings are to be done, then every rookie who has a bad season as a starter should be given the same generosity. if this were the case, Flacco would have been at least an 85 last season to start, rather than his 82. an 85 is supposed to be a pro-bowl caliber player per Madden. Sanchez is not even close to a pro bowler

Yeah it is also worth noting that the type of offense the Pennster was running doesnt suit Henne's talents, his main weakness were bulleting and overthrowing short routes to RBs and TEs. With a full training camp as a starter and a #1 reciever the offense will be better tailored to fit his arm strength and deep accuracy.

[SA1NT401]

Quote: Originally Posted by jmik58

Shonn G. has an awareness rating of 68? That's absurd. And the whole swagger rating thing is the dumbest arcade-ish thing I've heard in a long time. Your potential is your potential. If Chris Johnson is a 99 for speed, then he is a 99 for speed. I thought we were beyond this "turbo boost" thing. Your rating is what it is. If he can get to a 110, then that should be his rating.

I agree...I see it as Arcade crap honestly....so if i understand it correctly, its a POWER boost of sorts...Feed a player over and over they become better. I theory the concept makes sense, as player do get in the "ZONE', but how cheezy will the effect be....Thats what needs to be seen

[warrior7807]

Quote: Originally Posted by SA1NT401

I agree...I see it as Arcade crap honestly....so if i understand it correctly, its a POWER boost of sorts...Feed a player over and over they become better. I theory the concept makes sense, as player do get in the "ZONE', but how cheezy will the effect be....Thats what needs to be seen

aree. need to hear/ see more about it before i dismiss it completely

[REDRZA]

Quote: Originally Posted by ramzes93

You are right, stats don't always tell the story, in fact you can say sanchez is overated based on his stats, and you can say he is overated because of how people percieve he played. I've seen multiple Jet and Dolphin games both when they happened and on NFL replay when im bored, and if you think Sanchez was a better QB than Henne last year than you just arent watching, let alone ignoring stats. Sanchez rarely has to make multiple reads when he throws, and he usually throws to short crosses and simple routes. He did not perform well when pressured in the pocket, hence 20 int on a RUNNING team, with a great defense. 20 int is bad for a QB on a passing team, but on team which predominately runs for manageable 3rd downs and short passing situations/ great play action? Thats awful. Buffalo game? WTF was that? In the playoffs, they played the super deflated Bengals, who undeniabley had nothing in the tank after the emotional losses they delt with during the season. If anyone disagrees with that, than thats sad. Then the chargers who pull their usual choke-job in the playoffs, missing field goals and wasting their season. Against the colts the defense played a good first half, then Peyton took the training wheels off in the second half and tourched them. Sanchez was along for the ride, again making simple throws. Did you guys watch the Dolphins/ Jets MNF game? Sanchez essentially made one difficult throw with the circus catch by Braylon Edwards, and dink and dunked the rest of the game. Henne looked like a franchise QB if you ask me, leading his team to the win in the 4th quarter with perfect throws and 4th down conversions, many on the run. Furthermore i think its a crime that Matt Stafford is rated below the Sanchize, that kid similar stats for a god awful team, and got hammered game after game, and still managed to make plays. Not to mention his arm, and Henne's for that matter, are much stronger than Sanchez's. Other Fin players they screwed up. Brian Hartline is MUCH faster than Bess, and actually according to 40 time faster than B. Marsh, yet he is rated 85. Camarillo had NO drops on 50 catches and earns an 83 catch? He is the definition of a possesion reciever, and they gave bess an 87 catch, when he dropped key catches and muffed punts last year. Tyler Thigpen worse than Pat White? Dont even have to say anything. I mean do they even watch the games? Some of this crap isnt even that in depth its just dead wrong. Why dont they have guys more in depth to decide ratings?

Lets focus here, stop talking about last year. When i say i would rather have Sanchez over Henne, i'm not basing it over last years head to head stats, or when they played each other head to head, im saying that i believe that Sanchez is the better player, and will show that moving forward.

He DEFINATELY had great highs and lows, ups and downs. He was a ROOKIE. In fact, at USC, he made 3 starts as a sophomore, and started only his junior year in college. To come in and START for an NFL team with that little experience is unheard of. All i know is late in the season the kid made plays and got his team into the AFC Championship game. Now, he has the year of NFL experience Henne had going into last year. Now, he has more weapons on offense. Add Santonio Holmes, LT, and hopefully Dustin Keller gets better and makes strides, and the Jets offense will be alot better than it was last year.

[ramzes93]

Quote: Originally Posted by REDRZA

Lets focus here, stop talking about last year. When i say i would rather have Sanchez over Henne, i'm not basing it over last years head to head stats, or when they played each other head to head, im saying that i believe that Sanchez is the better player, and will show that moving forward. He DEFINATELY had great highs and lows, ups and downs. He was a ROOKIE. In fact, at USC, he made 3 starts as a sophomore, and started only his junior year in college. To come in and START for an NFL team with that little experience is unheard of. All i know is late in the season the kid made plays and got his team into the AFC Championship game. Now, he has the year of NFL experience Henne had going into last year. Now, he has more weapons on offense. Add Santonio Holmes, LT, and hopefully Dustin Keller gets better and makes strides, and the Jets offense will be alot better than it was last year.

What im saying is if you base whos better off of last years play, from stats and what you see gametime, than Chad Henne is a better quarterback. Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco both started day one and had better years than Mark, its not that unheard of, although ill give that he came out of college to early. Well not for him i guess.

I just dont get why everyone is so in love with him. Its not like he has a rocket arm, i understand people being giddy about stafford because he can throw a mile, but he doesnt, and he played poorly in a simple offense. I only used last years MNF game as an example because it was a good point of comparison.

When i see people on ESPN talk about Sanchez they always say he has the "it" factor, which makes no sense to me. They just talk about how confident he is. Then they analyze Henne and show him standing in the pocket and delivering passes.

Thats why i dont get why people are so high on him, but i guess he is your teams starting QB so you have to have faith in him.

[REDRZA]

Quote: Originally Posted by ramzes93

What im saying is if you base whos better off of last years play, from stats and what you see gametime, than Chad Henne is a better quarterback. Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco both started day one and had better years than Mark, its not that unheard of, although ill give that he came out of college to early. Well not for him i guess. I just dont get why everyone is so in love with him. Its not like he has a rocket arm, i understand people being giddy about stafford because he can throw a mile, but he doesnt, and he played poorly in a simple offense. I only used last years MNF game as an example because it was a good point of comparison. When i see people on ESPN talk about Sanchez they always say he has the "it" factor, which makes no sense to me. They just talk about how confident he is. Then they analyze Henne and show him standing in the pocket and delivering passes. Thats why i dont get why people are so high on him, but i guess he is your teams starting QB so you have to have faith in him.

Well whats funny is before and during the draft, during the whole off season, i felt kinda like you. I didn't see why the hype was so high for this kid. I didn't know what it was that everyone saw in him.

After watching him play though, he does have "it". "IT" is confidence, athleticism, he smart, good moving around and out of the pocket, and he has HEART. The Jets had a major issue with him because he was diving head first, and lowering his shoulder into hits. I'm not saying stat wise he had a great year, but the progress he made, the smarts he showed, and the fact he played smart when it counted was huge.

I fully realize the Jets had the number 1 defense, and number 1 run game. What they din't have was alot of options in the passing game. I love Cotchery, he's a great possession WR. Leon Washington was hurt early in the year. Braylon Edwards dropped a few passes, and to me, has never lived up to what he was supposed to be coming into the league, except for one good season in CLE.

This year, LT catching passes out of the backfield, Santonio Holmes stretching the field with his quickness and speed, Cotchery continuing to make all the ctaches, and hopefully Edwards being more comfortable in the system leads to him having a good year. Also, im hoping Dustin Keller makes even more strides. Not to mention, he has that full year of experience, including the playoffs, which is huge.